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Amen Ruth, HOWEVER Ephesians Chapter 1 adds a litthe more to the TRUTH
for TODAY under GRACE !!! I served many years in the Airborne Rangers
and when I recruited the main requirement was that they be volunteens
!!! So I already knew my Chosen ones by that Foreknowledge, the prosess
a required step to meet Regulations !!! After Man's Fall from Grace, but
defore the Foundation of the Earth ! His Redemption was based on the
Process described in Eph.1 !!! God knew by HIS infinite Foreknowledge
Who Woulr and Who wouldn't !!!!!!

Maranatha !!! Pastor Tom and Mo




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In article <097.51.10.05.931446000@srcbs.org>, basicallyblues says...
>
>I wrote:
>
>>This CLEARLY contradicts the Nicene Trinity.
>
>Matthew wrote:
>
>>It _also_ clearly contradicts what Origen himself says
>> about the Trinity elsewhere, even in the SAME BOOK!
>> So you have proved nothing at all.
>
>I write:
>
>Sure I did. You extract portions of Origen's writings you believe speak
>of the trinity (as you today believe it).

Just as you extracted portions of his writings which _you_ believe speak against
it. You are practicing a childish double-standard: when YOU do it, you proclaim
it as 'proof', but when I do it, it is not. Who do you think you can fool with
such a blatant and offensive double-standard?

Why, I didn't even _claim_ to have proven that Origen taught Trinity. I only
claimed that this quote shows you have not proven your claim either.

> I have provided Origen quotes
>that show your opinion is unteneble in the full picture.

But they do not. The presence of my quote is the proof.

>Matthew wrote: (quoting Origen)
>
>>We adore the Father of the Truth and the Son the Truth, being
>> two things with respect to hyposatasies, but one in same-mindedness
>>and
> > identity of counsel (will), so that he who sees the Son, who is
> > " the radiance of His glory and the exact image of his substance",
> > in Him who is the image of God, sees God.
>
>If this is a correct translation (please provide where you got this) it
>STILL does not prove the trinity!

I gave the original too. If you dispute the translation, show me an alternative
and explain why it should be preferred. Then I will explain how you are wrong.

>Yes, Jesus was the "exact image of
>his substance" and they are of the same mind, will and purpose. So
>what?

How could you say 'so what'? What did you _think_ 'Trinity' meant?