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> Gary wrote:
>
> > > >
> > > Read
> > > Chafer. Read "The Psychology of Faith" by BBW, vol
9, p 313.
> >
> >
> > More snide remarks, my you have changed, Loren.
> >
> > On the one hand you CLAIM to want a discussion of
theology,
> > but on the other you seem to have reverted to some lower
> > life
> > form.
> >
> > I suggest the you read the Bible, for a change.
> > Maybe God can change you.
> >
> Well, believe what you will about me and my intent.
However, I still
> encourage you to read these two items. If left on a
deserted island
> and having the choice of having only two books to leave
with me, one
> would, of course, be the Bible but the other would be
Chafer's "Grace."
> You have to read it in one sitting inorder to digess such
an
> antithetical ordering to that of the world and its many
"religions."
>
>
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I have read it many times, as I mentioned before.

I have and have read Chaffer's books, Salvation, Satan, etc.
I have but have not memorized, as you seem to think one
should do, if one reads something, much of Chafer's eight
volume Systematic Theology, also.

That Chafer DID not teach what you Calvinists teach about
salvation, I hope you will see by my copying part of page ix
from his book, Grace. Here in this brief point he shows that
he believes that salvation, the receiving of the Holy
Spirit, etc. comes AS A RESULT of trusting in Christ as ones
savior. Not the reverse order as you believe.

"Likewise, the terms upon which men may now be saved and
thus receive the Spirit are as clearly defined in the
Scripture. Salvation is by grace through faith. It is the
result of the transforming work of God for man, and not the
result of the work of man for God. It is that which God does
for the one who trusts in the Saviourhood of Christ. By that
trust, Christ is personally received as the divine Redeemer
who shed His blood as a sufficient ransom for the guilt and
penalty of sin, as the One who reconciles by having taken
away the sin of the world, and as the divine Propitiation
who, as Substitute, me every indictment brought against the
sinner under the holy government of God.
Since the Spirit is given only to those who are saved
through faith in Christ , they alone are able to the
particular body of truth which the Spirit teaches." L. S.
Chafer, "Grace," p. ix, x.

"4. One Condition.