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On Wed, 11 May 2005 20:16:43 +0000 (UTC), Mike Rhodes
wrote:

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>On Wed, 11 May 2005 03:00:07 +0000 (UTC), Douglas Cox
>wrote:
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>>On Tue, 10 May 2005 15:07:26 +0000 (UTC), Mike Rhodes
>> wrote:
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>>>On Mon, 9 May 2005 20:04:24 +0000 (UTC), Douglas Cox
>>>wrote:
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>>>>Lying to God's apostle and to the Holy Spirit proved to be a fatal
>>>>mistake. The story has provided fair warning to many generations of
>>>>Christians.
>>>
>>>The story is not about lieing. But about giving all one's property
>>>away, and not wanting to do that, and being punished for not doing
>>>that.
>>>
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>>Yes, it is a story about two people who lied to the Holy Spirit. Most
>>people have no difficulty understanding that.
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>You presume upon the audience with your own conclusion, without
>disproving my statements (not even approaching them at all), and
>without providing any argument of your own.
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>>>The lie seems in self-defense, and not intended to take advantage of
>>>anyone. It only weakly implies that they wanted prestige from the
>>>gift not given. It is Peter who supposedly presses for the
>>>information, and not an act of bragging by the giver. The lie only
>>>seems to validate the story resulting in death.
>>
>>Your failure to comprehend the straightforward account in Acts 5 is
>>clear to anyone reading this.
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>It is clear to me that you have little more than an attitude to use in
>argument. There is little interest in getting into the actual word.
>So I must question your intentions.
>
>>>
>>>"Give us [or the 'poor'] all your property", Christ is to have said in
>>>the "eye of the needle" story. But I will not do that. It was not
>>>Christ's saying.
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>>I don't think Christ requires that. In the case of the young man in
>>Matt 19:16-22, this person asked Jesus to recommend some good thing
>>that he could do; Jesus at first pointed to the commandments, but the
>>young man persisted, wanting something more. So Jesus offered him an
>>opportunity to become one of his disciples. Think of it. This person
>>could have been there with John, Peter, Andrew, Matthew, and the rest,
>>if he had not been so attached to his possessions.
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>"Think of it" ? You appeal to my ego? (and a name-dropper like Paul)
>You are changing the clear meaning of the passage.

I don't think so.

> There is no
>'offering.' It was balckmailing 'salvation' to man who was rich. To
>have salvation he must become destitute.

I think you have misunderstood something. Giving away one's wealth
does not achieve salvation for anyone