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Bart Goddard wrote:
> gkmcnees@comcast.net wrote:
>
>
>>Well, Bart, we are on completely different "levels" then.
>>
>>IF saving faith is the same as obeying the 1st commandment then I
>>don't have saving faith. But then again, in my estimation, I have
>>never met a single person who has kept the 1st commandment. I know
>>that Jesus kept it but I know I don't.
>
>
> I don't know anyone who has perfect faith either. That doesn't
> mean that the Spirit won't perfect it. I refrain, occasionally,
> from stealing, so, occasionally, I obey that commandment.

Good for you! Trouble is, God requires perfect obedience, doesn't He?
James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in
one point, he is guilty of all.

Seems to me that this means that just because you might keep a point
once in your life, this ain't enough!

>>Further the 1st commandment has no promise in it. Further again, all
>>"faith" is not the same. There is saving faith, and other kinds of
>>faith.
>
>
> I'm speaking here only of saving faith.

To me God defines saving faith. God gives a promise of everlasting life,
not for keeping the 1st commandment, or any commandment, but by
receiving Christ by faith is what HE has done. By believing the Gospel.

>>I see faith not as doing something like keeping the 1st or any other
>>commandment, but rather, as receiving what God offers freely in the
>>gospel, by taking Him at His word, i.e., believing what He has said.
>
>
> So? The issue is whether one gets that faith by an act of
> his own will or an act of God's will.

Gary

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The term Christian Zionism is of relatively recent vintage and was rarely used prior to the early
1990s.

Self-proclaimed Christian Zionist organizations such as the International Christian Embassy-
Jerusalem and the US-based Bridges for Peace, both with offices in Jerusalem, have been
operating for 20 years, but were under the radar of most Middle East experts and the mainstream
media until after September 11, 2001.

Briefly stated, Christian Zionism is a movement within Protestant fundamentalism that sees the
modern state of Israel as the fulfillment of Biblical prophecy and thus deserving of political,
financial and religious support.

Christian Zionists work closely with the Israeli government, religious and secular J