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Matthew Johnson wrote:
> In article <116.51.13.05.763733000@srcbs.org>, Gary McNees says...
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>>Matthew Johnson wrote:
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>>>In article <115.51.06.05.622976000@srcbs.org>, Bob Felts says...
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>>>[snip]
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>>>>>Since you have not free will, I think that this is the
>>>>>consequence.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Romans 7 explains this nicely.
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>>>
>>>It does? Then why does the _interpretation_ of Rom 7 differ so sharply between
>>>you, myself, and Gary?
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>>Matthew, I think we are much closer together theologically than I am
>>with any Calvinist.
>
>
> True. You and I are close than either of us to the Calvinists. I was not trying
> to deny this. I was trying to point out that the interpretation of Romans 7 is
> NOT so straightforward.
>
>
>>To my mind, the denial that God is love, is a far
>>greater heresy than any I can think of that I would attribute to you.
>
>
> Well, I am glad you won't attribute _that_ heresty to me;) Now if only you would
> see that I avoid all heresy like the plague!

Matthew, don't we all claim this? Does ANYONE think that they believe
heresy? I think not. I hope you are not claiming that there are no
errors in any of your beliefs. Since even the Apostle Paul said, we see
in a mirror darkly. And James said that we ALL err in what we say, I
certainly agree with Paul is saying that I have "not arrived." I believe
that I could well be in error on some of the things I believe. I have
changed over the years as I have learned more and studied the Scriptures
more.

>>Compared to God hating (salvifically) most of humankind, as the
>>Calvinists teach, our differences about OSAS, faith, etc. seem to me to
>>be insignificant.
>
>
> They are certainly less significant, and by much.

Yes, I agree. I think infinitely so. To teach, as do the Calvinists,
that God damns His human creatures, where these creatures have no free
will, and He does not provide an atonement for them, and this damnation
amounts to endless torture, (infinite in my mind), is NO KIND OF LOVE.

>>We both teach a gospel which is good news for all men (or at least can
>>be). We both believe that God is infinitely GOOD, and in Him is no evil
>>whatsoever.
>
>
> Yes! And this is SO much more important than all the rest. That is why it is so
> tragic that in the name of a _false_ notion of "God's sovereignty", the
> Calvinists (and some Dominicans too), have jettisoned what is so important, to
> preserve what is not only unimportant, but severely misunderstood!

Well, here we agree wholeheartedly. The notion of sovereignty taught by
the Calvinists makes God the author, cause, and