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then why does 1 Tim 3:16 say he was "taken up?"

16Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great: He appeared
in a body,
was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels,
was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world,
was taken up in glory.

Excellent research concerning John 3:13. Thus that whole argument of
the difference between "ascending" under one's own power rather than
being "taken" like Enoch is invalid. It has always been my
understanding that Jesus' words that "no man has ascended into heaven"
means that NOBODY had gone to the spiritual Heaven prior to him and
this includes Enoch.

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On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 10:35:42 +0000 (UTC), "Gary"
wrote:

>
>"Mike Rhodes" wrote in message
>news:FE83421C-2FAA-8877-65E9-C2E2152635D4@srcbs.org...
>> On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 19:48:30 +0000 (UTC), "Gary"
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >What "believing in Christ" means is explained quite clearly in:
>> >
>> >
>> >John 4:10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of
>God,
>> >and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have
>asked
>> >of him, and he would have given thee living water.
>> >
>> >> And hear His commandments and do them. (John 14:21-26)
>> >
>> >All His commandments to just anyone?
>> >Have you:
>> >
>> >Luke 18:22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet
>lackest
>> >thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor,
>and
>> >thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.
>>
>> I'm GLAD you asked!
>>
>> In a verse preceding your quote, in Luk 18:19, a 'Christ' is reported
>> to have said, "And Jesus said to him, Why do you call Me good? None is
>> good except One, God." Christ is not recorded to have repeated such a
>> thought; except in that story, which is also in Matthew & Mark.
>>
>> But a pharisee would think _very_ similar to what was said.
>>
>> So there's a verse preceding the one you quote by another in which
>> 'Christ' says he is NOT Good.
>
>Mike, Christ DID NOT SAY HE was "not good."
>Have reading problems?

Mat 19:17 "And He said to him, Why do you call Me good? There is none
good but one, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep
the commandments."

What a pharisaical response. Not that I'm complaining about the law,
basically, but the whole answer in total. Who's reading comprehension
are you really complaining about?

He says he kept the law, yet the you