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Matthew Johnson wrote:

>
> The topic was: YOU claimed that references to 'foreknowledge' did not
really
> mean "cognition before hand", but some touchy-feely nonsense about
> 'relationship'. You were even so rash and audacious as to claim that
if I did a
> 'word study', I would agree with your nonsense. That is where you
fell down
> badly.
>
Actually, this goes all the way back to our "discussion" concerning Rom
8:29. The point being that election "does not depend on the man who
wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy." So "activity"
springing from man's "free-will" has no part to play in being "born
again." God first regenerates man so that he can then be enlightened
and then incline himself to God.

"There is none who seeks (inclines) for God."

Election is based upon the mystery of God's foreknowing those whom He
wills to call to salvation. This necessarily involves relationship
even though we did not participate in it prior to our calling. THIS is
what you reject based upon your overwhelming desire remain autonomous.
Be humble now or you will be humbled later.

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If you read Geisler in his book Chosen But Free he also claims that he
is a Calvinist. However his definitions of each doctrine of TULIP are
modified from those that are commonly held by most Calvinists.

In the post I made you neglect to comment on the FACT that Chafer
deliberately positions himself in the same position with regard to the
order of regeneration and faith as Geisler and I do.

If you read Geisler and his definitions of TULIP, I agree with him on
them. So, if you like, you could call me a "moderate Calvinist" as does
Geisler call himself. But I don't particularly like this name.

I prefer the simple title of Christian or if necessary a "biblicist."

The differentiation between accepting and rejecting salvation is most
important. Man on his own can reject salvation, for he can reject the
learning necessary to come to faith.

On the other hand, man cannot of his own will believe. God must be
proactive in the man for him to some to faith. BUT he comes to faith
BEFORE God regenerates him.

Hope this helps you understand my position.

If you still don't understand it, Geisler amplified it for hundreds of
pages in his book Chosen But Free.

In Christ, Gary


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