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In article <173.53.11.05.006069000@srcbs.org>, lsenders@hotmail.com says...
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>Gary McNees wrote:
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>Had a day off? Thought to write a bit?
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>I have a simple question for you, Mr. McNees. You unceasingly attack
>what has come to be termed, "Calvinism."

And irghtly so. Gary's contributions to the NG have been a wonderful
counterweight to the reams of mindless Calvinist propaganda others post.

> Fine. But I have yet to read
>anywhere, either from you or from others, a working definition of
>"free-will."

Then you really haven't been reading. I gave this a long time ago.

> This should be a simple thing.

If men's minds were not poisoned by the false dogmas of Calvinism, it _would_ be
a simple thing. The first 4 centuries or so of Christianity DID find it "a
simple thing".

But because of the wide and deep prevalence of Calvinistic assumptions in modern
day society -- especially in modern day _American_ society, there is too much
undergrowth that has to be cleared before the good seed of the traditional
CHristian definition can be laid in the reader's mind and bear fruit.

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Subducat se sibi ut haereat Deo
quidquid boni habet, tribuat illi a quo factus est.
(St. Augustine, Ser. 96)

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Matthew Johnson wrote:
> In article <082.36.22.05.804060000@srcbs.org>, basicallyblues says...
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> >>. Gen
> >>5:24; Hebrews 11:5. Elijah went up to heaven, but was taken also,
by
> >>firey chariot. 2 Kings 2:11. Neither "ascended" which implies
> >something
> >>they did themselves. Thus, scripture remains intact and true.
> >
> >Nice try but you are wrong. Enoch "died" as Hebrews said.
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> No, it is you who are wrong. Hebrews does NOT say that Enoch died. On
the
> contrary: Hebrews even says that Enoch "did not taste death" (Heb
11:5). Recall
> the verse:
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> By faith Enoch was taken up SO THAT HE SHOULD NOT SEE DEATH; and
> he was not found, because God had taken him.
> Now before he was taken he was attested as having
> pleased God. (Heb 11:5 RSVA)
>
> So no, Enoch never died.
>


In light of your discussion, what do any of you make of
Jesus' story of poor Lazarus and the rich man (Lk 16)?

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