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"Bob Felts" wrote in message
news:176.52.20.05.010760000@srcbs.org...
>
>
> Matthew Johnson wrote:
>
snip
>
> Well, duh. I didn't make straight A's in Koine Greek
because of my good
> looks.

Tooting horn, but horn is too small, Robertson's horn much
bigger.


> > Context must determine which of the two it really is.
You misread the context
> > and claim it must be passive.

Obviously is.

> But let's suppose, for the sake of argument, that the
middle form should
> be preferred. In the middle form, the object somehow
participates in
> the action. You want this to show that a man _freely_
particpates in
> fitting himself for destruction. But the context doesn't
support this
> because the context is that of clay in the potter's hands.
The clay
> participates in the molding -- a middle voice form -- but
it doesn't do
> so freely. So even here you find no help for your
position.

This is really sickening! I've not yet met a Calvinist who
actually
DEALS with the OT passage from which Paul derives this
example.

It is PRECISELY the FACT that the pots mold themselves!

Try reading it sometime.


5 Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying, 6 O house of
Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the LORD.
Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are ye in
mine hand, O house of Israel. 7 At what instant I shall
speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to
pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it; 8 If that
nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their
evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto
them.

One would THINK that of all the Calvinist theologians and
commentators who have abused the passage in Romans at
LEAST ONE would have gone to the OT to see the true
picture of what God is saying about the Potter and the
Pots!

But alas, Calvinism is NOT interested in truth, but in
preserving
its existence at any cost whatsoever

Gary





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On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 10:42:25 +0000 (UTC), Matthew Johnson
wrote:

>In article <77B26004-64A5-C1B3-AAE5-EEB60C414509@srcbs.org>, Mike Rhodes says...
>>
>>On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 00:19:40 +0000 (UTC), "ruth"
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>lsenders@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>> Sarah Kanary wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > The individual books of the "NT" were written by individual Jewish
>>>> > C