In article <181.01.05.05.437565000@srcbs.org>, Mike Rhodes says...

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>Paul's conversion, as written in Acts, was a fake. It was a
>conspiracy. And so are at least some of his letters.

The brazen audacity of these words is itself the best argument against
them! How could you even _think_ of accusing the authors of Scripture
of such forgery?

No one labored so gloriously in the vineyard of the Lord as Paul
did. Yet you overlook and despise all that and brand its record
'forgery' instead! You could hardly give us a better proof, Mike, that
you are wholly alien to Christianity.

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Subducat se sibi ut haereat Deo
quidquid boni habet, tribuat illi a quo factus est.
(St. Augustine, Ser. 96)

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"Bart Goddard" wrote in message
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>
>
> gkmcnees@comcast.net wrote:
>
> >> Second, I don't see why your trap doesn't apply equally
> >> well to the free-willers.
>
>
> > Bart, I can see a lot of difference between me saying to you,
> > "Bart, I will give you everything if you believe me."
> > AND
> > "Bart, I've decided to kill. There is nothing you can do about
> > it."
> >
> > I can't quite see why it is so difficult for others to see what
> > I see to be obvious.
>
> I can't quite see what you can't see what you're doing here.
> There are positive and negative aspects to both sides, and
> you take the positive side of yours and compare it with
> the negative side of mine, expecting me to someone not
> notice.
>
> What if I write:
>
> "Bart, if you don't believe in Me, I'm not lifting a finger
> to help you."
> AND
> "Bart, I love you so much that I'm going to save you even
> if you fight against me."
> ?
>
> Ya' gotta play fair.

I believe that God loves all such that He seeks and endeavors
to save them. God asks, "What more could I have done?"

Isaiah 5:4 What could have been done more to my vineyard, that I have not
done in it? wherefore, when I looked that it should bring forth grapes,
brought it forth wild grapes?

The difference, as I see it, Bart, between us is that I believe God uses
persuasive means to save all. You believe He uses force to save the few.
That is OK. I believe that the God who could save all "against their wills,"
as Calvinism claims is possible, but does not do so, is not Omnibenevolent.