Bob Felts wrote:
> Gary McNees wrote:
>
>
>>Bob Felts wrote:
>>
>>>Gary McNees wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Bob Felts wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>If election is not based on human will or effort, then how can man be
>>>>>said to be free in this respect?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>It is not BASED upon human will or effort.
>>>>It is in ACCORD with God's foreknowledge.
>>>
>>>
>>>So what did God forsee that determines who is and who isn't elect?
>>
>>God doesn't "foresee."
>>
>
>
> What knowledge did God use upon which to base His choices in election?

God is independent, hence His knowledge is independent of creation,
hence His choices do not depend upon any thing created.

Gary

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<<
That may depend... do you believe God forgives unrepentant sin? Like my
mother and uncle said to each other about their father... they were
sure mom would be in heaven, but if Dad ends up there, then they'd
rather not be. He was a very evil man who died still comitting his
evils.
>>

The (mortal) sin is the status which separates from God. IMHO everyone
has his/her final chance to choose to be with God or not to be with God.

Otherwise God is merciful, and it is not for us to make judgements about
the salvation of other persons.


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basicallyblues wrote:
> I wrote:
>
> > At Rev. 3:2,12 Jesus was back in heaven at God's right hand still
> calls
> > him "my God" four times.
>
> Loren wrote:
>
> >"Right hand." Haven't we covered this before. It speaks of
equality.
> >In the oriental world, the queen sat on the left hand or a step down
> >from the king.
>
> we've never spoken of it before

This only goes to show you do not read what others write. You just
survey it, grab and idea, then look for some relevant Watchtower
article to plop into your scanner and voila! your reply.

> and the idea of "sitting at the right
> hand denoting equality" is contradicted several times in the Bible

So you say. Care to actually put up the references.

> and is therefore invalid to the discussion.

You've not done anything to support this conclusion. You're grand
standing.

> Jesus, while at God's right
> hand, humby refers to YHWH as "my God". N