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> Such a person can still
>believe that Jesus died for their sins and rose again.
No, he can only put on the _appearance_ of such belief. But the real
McCoy
remains alien to him
where in the Bible does it say that one must believe God is a trinity
in order to be saved? Verses please:
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Bob:
> (1) The Jewish and Christian version of Genesis agree, however the
> interpretations do not.
A distinction that has not been made clearly enough in this thread (or
I have missed it) is between a-priori (what does the text say) and
a-posteriori (what do we believe out of *other* reasons or supported
by *other* texts) understanding of the text. Of all I know, we can say
that we have *no* a-priori understanding: While the usage of the
apparent plural "elohim" with singular verbs is quite normal, its
usage with plural verbs is not, except when a plural is meant.
> (2) Christians believe in the Trinity, therefore believe that "us"
> refers to the Trinity. For them, a very valid belief.
And thus a *possible* but not a *cogent* interpretation.
> (3) Jews do not believe in the Trinity, therefore "us" would have to be
> G-d and his angels. For them, a very valid belief.
Interestingly, some traits in Judaism have a concept resembling the
Trinity but with 10 instead of 3. I wonder whether the plural in
Genesis has ever been proposed to mean these 10 sfirot.
> (4) No amount of discussion will change these core beliefs, so it is
> better to close the subject since neither side will convince the other
> that they are wrong.
Let me add one more interpretation which I find not too far-fetched
from the a-priori standpoint (which does not make it *true*, but only
*possible*):
The plural appears in the context of creating *two* men, male and
female, in the likeness of *one* God. What if the plural were used to
say that man is not androgynous (nor God any of male, female,
androgynous or sex-free)? Rather, the completeness of *one* God can be
mirrored (in the sense of "dmut=likeness") with no less than *two*
men, and *we* is more like two than *I* would have been.
Helmut Richter
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In article <088.57.10.05.274632000@srcbs.org>, basicallyblues says...
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>huh? No it doesn't. Personification?
No, it is not 'personification'. Why do you JWs keep seeing