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Gary McNees wrote:
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> The Calvinist says.
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> God causes all men to be born such that they cannot choose
> to believe in Christ.
>
You are a "malicious witness." You do know what the penalty for such
is in scripture, do you not? This was the point of Jn 8.
You ae malicious in that Calvinism does not teach that God directly
causes men to "not choose to believe." This is so fundamentally wrong
that what it does cause is one to wonder if you've ever read Calvin for
yourself. More likely, the senario is that you somewhere heard someone
defaming Calvinism and you just took up the same sword yourself without
ever asking, "Who is this guy we're fighting?" It is so
pre-posture-ous that it doesn't even deserve a rebuttal.
>
> God must first regenerate them, and then they cannot but
> choose to believe in Christ.
>
Hey, Luther's "Bondage of the WIll" clarified this issue before Calvin
wrote about it under the term "Total Depravity." I'm sure you do not
even know what the doctrine is, though you debate against it. I'm sure
you never read Luther's book even as you've never read Calvin.
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> Rather than salvation being through faith,
> the Calvinist teaches that faith comes through
> regeneration/salvation.
>
You are not a theologian. "through regeneration" is an incorrect
statement, let alone conclusion.
>
> They turn every passage God says about His love for
> all, and the world, on its head.
>
> Amazing really!
>
No. What is amazing if that your school of thought takes no thought of
the governing attribute of God -Holiness. Neither do you take into
consideration just what "in the likeness of God" actually means in the
context of our discussion.
>
> God says: John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his
only
> begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but
> have everlasting life.
>
> The Calvinist says God hates the world. The above must be
> changed to read:
>
> John 3:16 For God so loved the [elect in the] world, that he gave
his
> only begotten Son, that [the elect who must] believe in him should
not
> perish, but have everlasting life.
>
But Gary, why not place the verse in its context.....
John 3:18 .....he who does not believe has been judged ALREADY...
Now remaining consistent to your stated position, how can this be?
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> Every passage concerning God's universal love for the lost human
> race is so perverted as to mean the very OPPOSITE of what it says.
>
> But God says the very opposite of Calvinism:
>
> John 20:31
> Romans 10:17
Again, you write that God's offer is absolutely effectual and yet you
refuse to allow a sovereig