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Gary McNees wrote:

> Eathan, man cannot obey the law. We sin is all that we do.
> But we can receive the free gift of salvation by believing
> in Christ. Regeneration comes through faith and not faith
> through regeneration.
>
> Stop using you faulty logic and listen to God.

Gary, I've asked a simple question:

When the evil give good gifts to their children, are they sinning or not?
I am not using logic here, I'm talking Scripture. God says that when
the wicked does something, he sins, regardless of the action.

You offered the passage as proof that the evil can freely choose to do
good. You still have not resolved my question about the Scriptural basis
for your claim.

> 1 Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the
> knowledge of the truth.

Read 1 Tim 4.10. He _is_ the savior of all men. All men are saved, at
least in some sense. But he is especially the savior of believers. You
want salvation to mean the same thing in every verse--and you simply can't
do that without doing violence to the language.

> 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men
> count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any
> should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

He's longsuffering to _us_. Not _them_. There's a good implication here
that the "any" here refers to those of his own children.

> Deuteronomy 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against
> you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing:
> therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

If you'd read the whole sermon, you'd have a more accurate picture of this
verse.

"2 And Moses called unto all Israel, and said unto them, Ye have seen all
that the LORD did before your eyes in the land of Egypt unto Pharaoh, and
unto all his servants, and unto all his land; 3 The great temptations
which thine eyes have seen, the signs, and those great miracles: 4 Yet
the LORD hath not given you an heart to perceive, and eyes to see, and
ears to hear, unto this day" (Deu 29).

"6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy
seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy
soul, that thou mayest live" (Deu 30).


God _must_ make a change in us for us to be able to choose anything good.
It is _not possible_ to believe until he makes that change.

-EThan

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