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In article <081.20.08.05.042717000@srcbs.org>, basicallyblues says...

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>Here is a prime example of your shameless un-Christlike tactics. You
>made an assertion I proved you wrong and you go on an insult-filled
>tangent! TYPICAL TRINITARIAN!

It is no tangent. And as for insults, what have I ever said that is as insulting
as what you _repeatedly_ say, that we are pagans? Nothing! So pot, stop calling
the kettle black.

> >Who is the real egomaniac here?
>
>(snip desperate trinitarian rant)
>
>You are.

Dream on. No one else is fooled by your pipe-dream.

>>What _are_ you talking about? The Nicene Creed even avoided the word
>'>Trinity'.
>
>I guess I'll have to post the Nicene Creed for you people.
>
>As originally published, the entire creed stated:
>
>"We believe in one God, the Father almighty, maker of all things
>visible and invisible;And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God,
>begotten from the Father, only-begotten, that is, from the substance of
>the Father, God from God, light from light, true God from true God,
>begotten not made, of one substance with the Father, through Whom all
>things came into being, things in heaven and things on earth, Who
>because of us men and because of our salvation came down and became
>incarnate, becoming man, suffered and rose again on the third day,
>ascended to the heavens, and will come to judge the living and the
>dead; And in the Holy Spirit."
>
>is this the trinity to you?

Why, yes, it is. Yet the word 'Trinity' is not there. WHy? Because they
deliberately avoided it. WHy did they do this? Because they were still trying to
reconcile the Arians with the Church. If you did not lie about Lexicon
citations, you might have received the same courtesy. But you snipped the lemma
from Thayer's that supports the Trinity, and pretended it was not there.

> Interestingly is isn't because the holy
>spirit isn't even part of the trinity yet!

No, that is not true. He _is_ of the Trinity, but they simply chose not to
mention this in the Creed. The language of the Creed is the language of
compromise.

But I guess you cannot understand the language of compromise. Such is the
impression you have created with your posts.

>> IGNATIUS SAID JESUS WAS CREATED
>
>>You are quoting him out of context, and ignoring the translation
>problem.
>
>pathetic Matthew.

No, it is your response that is pathetic.

> What "translation problem"????

The problem I already mentioned. KTIZW does NOT exclusively mean 'create'. And
the original Hebrew word in PRv 8:22 (which Ignatius is quoting) almost never
means 'create' in the first place.

> Now that is a weak
>response. Ignatius said Jes