then why does 1 Tim 3:16 say he was "taken up?"

16Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great: He appeared
in a body,
was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels,
was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world,
was taken up in glory.

Excellent research concerning John 3:13. Thus that whole argument of
the difference between "ascending" under one's own power rather than
being "taken" like Enoch is invalid. It has always been my
understanding that Jesus' words that "no man has ascended into heaven"
means that NOBODY had gone to the spiritual Heaven prior to him and
this includes Enoch.

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Hello,

Today's message for Cyber Services is "Your God Is too
Small," by Rondald L. Dart.

So many times we limit God. We try to put our own
restrictions on Him, and so miss what is important.

This message cuts to the heart of much faulty
thinking.

Just click on the Cyber Services link on our Sermon
and Bible study page:

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In post <112.24.22.05.112454000@srcbs.org> Matthew wrote:

>
> Why, yes. We do. It is documented in the Lives of the Saints. So, for
example,
> we have, from http://www.days.ru:
>
> Begin quote-----------
> The translation of the relics of the Righteous Lazarus "of the four
days",
> Bishop of Kitia, was done in the 9th century. The Holy Righteous
Lazarus,
> brother of Martha and Mary, lived in the village (hamlet?) of
Bethany, not far
> from Jerusalem. In the time of His earthly life, the Lord Jesus
Christ often
> visited the home of Lazarus, whom He loved very much and called His
friend (Jn
> 11:3,11). And when Lazarus died and spent four days in the grave, the
Lord
> raised him from the dead (Jn 11:17-44). (The Resurrection of Lazarus
is
> commemorated by the Church on the Saturday of the 6th week of the
Great Fast).
>
> Many of the Jews, hearing of this resurrection, came to Bethany, and
being
> convinced of the reality of this great wonder, became followers of
Christ.
> Because of this, the high-priests wanted to kill Lazarus.
>
> The Righteous Lazarus is mentioned yet once more in the Gospels:
when, six days
> after Pascha, the Lord came again to Bethany, the resurrected Lazarus
was there
> (Jn 12:1-2, 12:9-11