Gary McNees wrote:

> "Stephen M. Adams" wrote in message
> news:138.49.09.05.627708000@srcbs.org...
> >
> >
> > "Gary McNees" writes:
> > >"Stephen M. Adams" wrote:
> > >> lsenders@hotmail.com writes:
> > >>
> > >>>Scripture interprets scripture, not the rationalizations of men.
> > >>
> > >>Your system is the one based purely on reason, intellect and logic.
> > >
> > >Steve, I just couldn't let this go by.
> > >
> > >I don't agree at all.
> > >
> > >Calvinism is NOT BASED on reason, intellect, nor logic!
> > >
> > >Unless you want to say demonic reason, demonic intellect.
> > >But no logic at all.
> >
> > I would say that Calvinism is internally consistent - that is, if
> > one assumes the premises, everythign else flows logically from there.
> > The fundamental problem is that the premises are wrong.
>
> I still do not agree. On the one hand some Calvinists state the
> man is RESPONSIBLE for his actions, but on the other hand,
> they also believe that God causes all his actions.

One way out of this conundrum, is that man is responsible -- not because
man is free (which the Scriptures do not teach) -- but by divine fiat.

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Sorry for the belated reply. I've had a lot of things hitting me hard and
fast. For details, see alt.support.alzheimers.

I have very little time now for lengthy discussions, so I'll just address
the main points raised.

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I have seen the folly of debates or "apologetics". They bring little or no
glory to God. If one's goal is to win hearts and minds, more can be
accomplished by following the example of the Great Teacher, the Lord Jesus
Christ. Granted, debates can be instructive, but often their focus is
shifted to polemics or are mainly for entertainment, to see who argues
'better'. That must be why there is no record of Christ challenging the
Pharisees to debates, even though he could have beat them every time. He
was interested in winning hearts, not arguments. He wanted to attract,
humble, sheeplike people, not proud apologist