gkmcnees@comcast.net wrote:

> Let's try to keep to the issue.

Yes. Let's.


> You and Bob believe that God condemns man for that which
> he is unable do anything about.


Classic: "Unable to do anything about." Exactly. You think
man IS able to do something about his salvation. THAT is
salvation by works. Period. I don't care if you believe
in salvation by works, I'm just bothered that you don't
admit it.


> I have answers for all your "arguments" but your arguments do not
> address the issue.


You haven't managed to come up with an argument that explains
your internally contradictory sentences like:

1. God controls everything, but He doesn't control sin.

2. After we show God we're worthy, He grants us salvation.


Bart

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Hi Bob:
"Bob Felts" wrote in message
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> Gary wrote:
>
> > "Bob Felts" wrote in message
> > news:172.29.21.05.462907000@srcbs.org...
> > >
> > >
> > > Gary McNees wrote:
> > snip
> > > > It is the difference between a god who pushes people
into hell against
> > > > their wills, verses one who does everything
possible to keep everyone
> > > > from going to hell by all means short of forcing
them against their
> > > > wills.
> > > >
> > >
> > > First, this is a bad analogy. Everyone who ends up in
hell wills it.
> >
> > What? According to you he cannot will otherwise,
correct?
> >
>
> Sure. So what? The characters in a book have will.

None of the characters in any "fictional" book I've read
had any will. Their "wills" were the creations of the
author.

> > > Anyone with a basic undestanding of Lewis knows this.
> >
> > Lewis who?
> >
>
> C. S. Lewis.

I admire Lewis a lot. I agree with some of his theology,
but not with all of it. He went off base on some things.

> > > But we'll save that for another day. Let's take your
incorrect picture
> > > and nevertheless examine it.
> > >
> > > In the first case you have an omnipotent God pushing
people in. Here,
> > > God is a bully, a despot.
> >
> > Precisely your god.
> >
>
> No, it's precisely your faulty understanding of my God.
God is neither
> a bully, nor a despot (i.e., He is absolute, but He is not
cruel).

Then your God does not "pass by" the many? Your God does
indeed