"Matthew Johnson" wrote in
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> In article
, Gary >

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> But in the meantime, I really wish you had not left in the
site I do NOT
> recommend in your response. For now a reader who reads
your response, but does
> not read this post, will be left with the misleading
impression that I
> recommended the ocf.org site. But you already know I
cannot recommend that one.
>
> SInce then, I have looked at it more, and I like it less!
What did he think he
> was doing, for example, when he said, "... that is how we
know Him to exist.
> Otherwise, unless God speaks to us, human reason cannot
know more"?
>
> I know what he is _trying_ to do: he is trying to defend
the distinction St.
> Maximus made (and ST. gregory Palamas articulated further)
between the
> knowability of God's energies and the _unknowability_ of
His essence. But He
> claimed too much unknowable, undercutting not just Sts.
Maximus and Palamas, but
> even St. Paul's famous lines in Rom 1:18-20.
>
> So no, I cannot recommend that site. And I fear people who
read it will only get
> themselves more confused about what Orthodoxy really is.

Sorry, Matthew, I did not leave it in on purpose.

Gary



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"Bart Goddard" wrote in message
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> matthew_member@newsguy.com wrote:
>
>
> >>Your spitting and hissing carries no weight for us,
because
> >>1. we already knew that we daily sin much and are
guilty
> >>of breaking all the commandments and 2. we're confident
in
> >>our forgiveness.
> >
> > And that confidence is the 'confidence' of those who say
> > "Lord, Lord", yet not do what the Lord commanded.
>
> Note to Gary: Maybe you're enjoy the fact that Matthew
seems
> to be on your side. But note that he, unabashadly,
espouses
> a "faith plus works" formula for salvation. You should
> take it to heart that your chief ally in the battle of
> "free will" preaches works righteousness.

I'm here Bart.

Which is worse, preaching a salvation of grace and works
(but where even the "works" are of grace as Augustine and
Matthew proffer), or teaching a god who is infinitely more
evil than Satan? I'll leave the answer to you and those
lurking.

Gary



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