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"Bart Goddard" wrote in message
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> matthew_member@newsguy.com wrote:
>
>
> >>Your spitting and hissing carries no weight for us,
because
> >>1. we already knew that we daily sin much and are
guilty
> >>of breaking all the commandments and 2. we're confident
in
> >>our forgiveness.
> >
> > And that confidence is the 'confidence' of those who say
> > "Lord, Lord", yet not do what the Lord commanded.
>
> Note to Gary: Maybe you're enjoy the fact that Matthew
seems
> to be on your side. But note that he, unabashadly,
espouses
> a "faith plus works" formula for salvation. You should
> take it to heart that your chief ally in the battle of
> "free will" preaches works righteousness.

A second note, Bart.

Without the will being self-determined, i.e., free will with
the power of contrary choice, then sin is impossible as
Augustine stated.

Gary



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Bart Goddard wrote:
> gkmcnees@comcast.net wrote:
>
>
>>>>IF saving faith is the same as obeying the 1st commandment then I
>>>>don't have saving faith. But then again, in my estimation, I have
>>>>never met a single person who has kept the 1st commandment. I know
>>>>that Jesus kept it but I know I don't.
>>>
>>>
>>>I don't know anyone who has perfect faith either. That doesn't
>>>mean that the Spirit won't perfect it. I refrain, occasionally,
>>>from stealing, so, occasionally, I obey that commandment.
>>
>>Good for you! Trouble is, God requires perfect obedience, doesn't He?
>
>
> The trouble is, you keep missing points. Why would you
> think that someone's faith has to be "perfect" before they
> are saved? (Answer: Because you think a quality of man is
> a requirement for salvation, quite contrary to the doctrine
> of grace alone.)

Where in the 1st commandment is any promise of salvation?
Or more easily, where is there any promise of salvation in
any of the 10 commandments or the summation of all commandments
Christ gave?

There is none there anywhere.

And the "quality" in man is one of recognition of no quality in oneself.

Just the opposite of what you think.

And just who is missing points, or rather making up what the other
says.

Where do I say that one's FAITH must be perfect?

You raise the question of OBEDIENCE to a command, the 1st commandment.
To be saved! yet!

I am just a little amazed at th