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Gary McNees wrote:

> The Calvinists see no error, no harm, no problem, in
> teaching that God actually hates (savingly) most of His creatures.

This is the exact same line of argumentation of those who wish to see
an end to capital punishment. You both share in the very same
presuppositional base.

The truth of the matter is, capital punishment establishes a higher,
not a lower, view of man. Man is so dignified, so worthy, that to
murder a man is equally worthy of the murder to forfeit his own life.
It is the great high value of man that necessitates captial punishment.


Contrary the biblical position, man cannot be reformed. In fact, he is
already dead. "Y lived X number of years and he died." He died
spiritually as well and his future, like that of the murderer (in a
righteous society) is determined. When man fell, he inherited the
second death. "All men died." God was not obligated to save any.
Again, as I have noted to Matthew elsewhere tonight, the problem is
that you advance your argument primarily from the human vantage without
recognizing what it does in direct ratio to the redemptive off of God.



Eph. 2:8, 9 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that
not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works,
that_no_one_should_boast.

1 Cor. 1:21, 26-29 For since in the wisdom of God the world through
its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the
foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.. . . For
consider your calling, brethren, that there were not many wise
according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble; but God has
chosen the foolish things of the world to shame the wise, and God has
chosen the weak things of the world to shame the things which are
strong, and the base things of the world and the despised, God has
chosen, the things that are not, that He might nullify the things that
are, that_no_man_should_boast before God.


Rom. 1:20 . . . so that they are without excuse.
Rom. 3:19 . . . that every mouth may be closed

It is "ALL from Him, through Him and to Him."

"Who has first given that it must be repaid him?"

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bghilliotti@hotmail.com:

> For example in the KJV vs 28 says:
>
> "He sent darkness, and made it dark, and they rebelled not against
> their word."
>
> New American translates same the vs as:
>
> "He sent darkness and it grew dark, but they rebelled against their
> word."
>
> NIV Study seems to compromise between the two translations of vs 28:
>
> "He sent darkness and made the land dark, for had they not rebelled