Bart Goddard wrote:

> wrf3@stablecross.com wrote:
>
> > All of us have a "wrong" Jesus. Some are less wrong than others.
> > Where does Jesus (who is the one who does the saving, after all) draw
> > the line?
>
> I would have thought my parent/child analogy was clear enough here. There
> is no "line" as if this were a matter of degree. This is a difference of
> type; the same sort of difference as between a child who has
> misconceptions about his Mom and a child who never met his Mom. The first
> knows his Mom, the second doesn't.

They both believe Mom died for them and rose again.

>
>
>
> > So, we're saved by our (correct) knowledge of who Mom is, or are we
> > saved because Mom knows us, regardless of how far off we might happen
> > to be at the momemt?
>
> You keep bringing up "saved". That's not what the issue is
> here.

That's the only issue I have been discussing with you, Matthew, et. al.

> The issue is "Who is Jesus".

Not between you and me.

> Nobody (except you, I think) is talking about knowledge saving someone.

You are. "They don't know Mom".

>
> >> Let's be clear. The discussion is about whether a certain bit of
> >> doctrine is heresy. Not about whether this or that person is damned.
> >
> >
> > On the contrary, it is _exactly_ about whether this or that person is
> > damned.
>
> > If they don't know Mom as you know Mom, are they damned?
>
> How can that be, when nobody is talking about that? Everyone
> is talking about whether the Trinity is the True God.
>
> > If they don't know Mom as you know Mom, are they damned?
>
> That's a trick question on the order of "Have you stopped
> beating your wife?" Knowing doesn't save, so how do you
> expect a Christian to answer your question?

You seem to have answered it. Becasue their notion of Jesus doesn't
match your notion of Jesus -- even though we agree that He died for our
sins and rose again -- you claim that they don't know Mom, and are
therefore unsaved.

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>
> >> If fish by playing. Just how do _you_ propose to show BB
> >> his hypocracy and inconsistancies?
> >
> > I don't. That's not my responsibility and it's beyond my ability.
>
> Sure you do. You _play_ devil's advocate here, and by your
> own admission, in your Sunday School too. Just because
> your game is slightly different from mine doesn't mean it's
> any less dishonest.

First, I told my Sunday School class what I was doing up front. I did
it to introduce them to some of the different ways others see