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"Bob Felts" wrote in message
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> Gary McNees wrote:
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> > False delima. God ordained that many things happen
> > via free choice.
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> Please explain how this is anything other than a self-refuting
> statement, since it appears to assert A and not A in the same sentence.

Please give a syllogistic proof that this is asserting A and not A.

Gary


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Bob:

> (1) The Jewish and Christian version of Genesis agree, however the
> interpretations do not.

A distinction that has not been made clearly enough in this thread (or
I have missed it) is between a-priori (what does the text say) and
a-posteriori (what do we believe out of *other* reasons or supported
by *other* texts) understanding of the text. Of all I know, we can say
that we have *no* a-priori understanding: While the usage of the
apparent plural "elohim" with singular verbs is quite normal, its
usage with plural verbs is not, except when a plural is meant.

> (2) Christians believe in the Trinity, therefore believe that "us"
> refers to the Trinity. For them, a very valid belief.

And thus a *possible* but not a *cogent* interpretation.

> (3) Jews do not believe in the Trinity, therefore "us" would have to be
> G-d and his angels. For them, a very valid belief.

Interestingly, some traits in Judaism have a concept resembling the
Trinity but with 10 instead of 3. I wonder whether the plural in
Genesis has ever been proposed to mean these 10 sfirot.

> (4) No amount of discussion will change these core beliefs, so it is
> better to close the subject since neither side will convince the other
> that they are wrong.

Let me add one more interpretation which I find not too far-fetched
from the a-priori standpoint (which does not make it *true*, but only
*possible*):

The plural appears in the context of creating *two* men, male and
female, in the likeness of *one* God. What if the plural were used to
say that man is not androgynous (nor God any of male, female,
androgynous or sex-free)? Rather, the completeness of *one* God can be
mirrored (in the sense of "dmut=likeness") with no less than *two*
men, and *we* is more like two than *I* would have been.

Helmut Richter

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