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Gary McNees wrote:

> Bob Felts wrote:
> > Gary McNees wrote:
> >
> >
[...]
> >>
> >>All these so-called texts which you all are using to try to assert
> >>no free will, all assert free will.
> >>
> >
> >
> > They assert will. The addition of freedom or the subtraction thereof,
> > from these passages are exegesis.
>
> Didn't you mean eisegesis?

Yes.

> >
> > God sovereignly chooses the elect, a choice not based on human will or
> > effort.
>
> God sovereignly chooses all that occurs, including every FREE
> will choice that everyone makes.
>

If election is not based on human will or effort, then how can man be
said to be free in this respect?

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Gary McNees wrote:

> "Bob Felts" wrote in message
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> >
> >
> > Gary McNees wrote:
> >
> > > "Bart Goddard" wrote in message
> > > news:153.23.08.05.122259000@srcbs.org...
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > gkmcnees@comcast.net wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Calvinists claim that man is not saved "against his will." But the
> > > > > procedure of God regenerating them without their will is like
> > > > > putting one to sleep,
> > > >
> > > > No, it's just the opposite. It's like waking someone up. They have
> > > > expressed no will to either remain asleep nor to wake. They're
> > > > _asleep_; they don't have a will. God wakes them up, just like He
> > > > called Lazarus out of the tomb.
> > >
> > > Nonsense.
> > >
> >
> > That's a resounding rebuttal -- and it accurately describes that which
> > has happened to so many of us. Read C. S. Lewis if you don't believe me
> > or Bart. Do you have anything other scoffing to back up your objection?
>
> Yes. All of scripture teaches that salvation and life from God comes
> THROUGH faith.

Same topic, different thread...

So where does faith come from? Where is it found within the
unregenerate?

> NEVER does scriptrue teach what your heresy
> teaches that faith comes through salvation!

Ephesians 2:8-10 come to mind.

> John5:25,40; 6:53; 12:36; 20:31; Acts11:18; Rom. 3:25; 10:9-10 [c.f.
> Eph.4:24];
> Col.2:12.
> Your doctrine is not just unscriptural but is ANTI - Scriptural and ANTI
> God.
>

In your c