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Matthew Johnson wrote:
> In article <123.26.10.05.614273000@srcbs.org>, Bart Goddard says...

>
> It amazes me, Bart, that someone with an advanced graduate degree in
such a
> logical discipline, mathematics, can so arrogantly sweep aside an
entire field
> of a similarly logical discipline, philosophy, without giving it even
a fraction
> of the consideration it deserves. Yet this is _precisely_ what you
have done
> with your breezy and WRONG description of Theodicy, saying "by using
words of a
> different connotation, they make thmselves feel better".
>
> But wait! What am I saying? You are a mathematician. I must have
suppressed the
> unpleasant memory of my past association with mathematicians that
reminded me so
> vividly so often that mathematicians all love the heights of
arrogance more than
> God.
>
Now who is the kettle and who is the stove?
>
> >> But then why am I not surprised? Oh, I remember now, because you
were
> >> the one who made the incredibly rash assertion that God sought out
> >> Adam in Paradise after his sin in order to kill him!
> >
> >Let's see, on one hand you seem to think there is a huge
> >difference between "thinking" and "knowing", as if man could
> >know something any more perfectly than he could think something.
> > Only you would try to make a such a big deal out
> >of nothing.
>
> No, not only me. And no, it is not 'nothing'. On the contrary: before
> Christians's intellects were blinded by Scholasticism, they widely
understood
> that Adam contemplated the essence of things directly, WITHOUT
relying either on
> the physical sense nor on ratiocination.
>
or something much more fundamental, self-awareness.
>
> But nowadays, too few people even know what 'ratiocination' even
means:-(
>
And ever consistent and ever inconsiderate, you refuse to explain or
give you version of the definition. Ever the adversary never the
helper.
> >
> >On the other hand, God _did_ kill Adam. So, in this case,
> >Adam was right anyway.
>
> No, God did NOT kill Adam. WIth this gross mis-statement, you have
revealed that
> I was right all along when I criticized you for making the first
mis-statement,
> that Adam feared that God would kill him. But even I am surprised
that you gave
> up on your first hedge this quickly.
>
But God did kill him. Or do you give man self-sufficiency? You who
allegorize the Genesis record in the first place don't even believe in
a literal Adam to begin with. It is you who has given upon your "first
hedge" and it is a fig leaf! Spiritual death was a required ac