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Gary McNees wrote:
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> > Gary McNees wrote:
> > > Greetings in the Lord, George.
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> > I also believe that man can refuse God's love,
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> We agree. The problem is that although God loves all,
> many do not receive His love.
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I would use the words "many do not appreciate and respond properly to
his love", rather than "many do not receive His love." As, the way I
look at it, he gives his live to all his creation.

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> > > What Calvinists mean by the I in TULIP is Irresistible Grace.
> > > That is, man cannot resist God's Grace of Drawing him.
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> > That sounds rather reasonable.
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> It doesn't sound reasonable to me. God says the opposite.

Yes, that is your point of view.

> Matthew 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and
> stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy
> children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and
> ye would not!

I agree that many of the early church and also down through history,
and even today, look much to highly upon Jerusalem, rather than to
compare it to Sodom. But, that is life.




> > > This last is necessary since the Calvinist doctrine of TULIP, means
> > that
> > > man is Totally Depraved, and hence will not under any circumstances
> > > believe God til God first regenerates him. So the term "Irresistable
> > Grace."
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> > > Man cannot resist it, since man is not involved at all. God
> > regenerates him
> > > WITHOUT his will, and then the man is of course, willing.
> >
> > Those men are fortunate to be regenerated by God. That does not sound
> > so bad to me.
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> Yes, it is GREAT for them. But what if you were not one of them?
> This makes God the author of evil. You wind up in hell and you had
> no will to do anything else.

Who am I to say there will be any that are not one of them? There are
a lot of people who got a lot of bad stuff inside them. They have no
feeling for anyone but themselves. Maybe when their dross is burned
away, what is left can be regenerated and God will save that refined
remnant. There is speculation that all will be saved. Of course, the
word that Ninevah got was that they were doomed in 40 days. But, the
King of Ninevah thought that God might change his mind. Ninevah was not
destroyed in 40 days. God will do what he wants to