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then why does 1 Tim 3:16 say he was "taken up?"

16Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great: He appeared
in a body,
was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels,
was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world,
was taken up in glory.

Excellent research concerning John 3:13. Thus that whole argument of
the difference between "ascending" under one's own power rather than
being "taken" like Enoch is invalid. It has always been my
understanding that Jesus' words that "no man has ascended into heaven"
means that NOBODY had gone to the spiritual Heaven prior to him and
this includes Enoch.

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Bart Goddard wrote:
> wynfranc@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
>
>>Where in the Bible can you find that death is trans-temporal?
>
>
> Don't mix up what I say. I said God is trans-temporal, and when
> we are in eternity with Him, we will also be outside of time.
> Death is a "non-thing" so it dumb to try to attribute any adjective
> to it.
>


Bart, I don't think he mixed up what you said. You said,

"But the orthodox teaching of the church is that our state after death
is trans-temporal, i.e., outside of time. Hell is in "eternity"
not "forever"."

His question is valid: "Where in the bible do you find that death is
trans-temporal?"

The references to death in my Bible are consistant with the hypothesis
that death is a state of total unconsciousness--no thoughts, no
knowledge, no devices, and--for the wicked after their final
destruction--no resurrection.

God bless.
Paul.

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In article <155.39.06.05.456586000@srcbs.org>, Bob Felts says...

>Matthew Johnson wrote:

>> In article <153.21.08.05.919325000@srcbs.org>, Bob Felts says...


>> >But you have God giving free will to someone who He knows will misuse it
>> >to cause misery, destruction, and death.
>> >
>> >So how do you justify this?
>>
>> Why are you asking him to _justify_ it, when _neither_ of you really believe
>> that man can justify God?
>
>Because one of the frequent complaints of Calvinism is that its "god" is
>really demonic because of the notion that He creates vessels of wrath
>devoted to destruction.

You have not answered the qu