Ludwig77 wrote:
> As a Christian, I used to see truth as being independent of experience.
> My argument would go like this:
>
> God reveals truth to us through the Holy scriptures. If my experience
> contradicts that revelation, my experience is wrong.



Why don't you do like the most of us Christians do, and read scripture
to say what you want it to say? For example, if you don't like the way
Jeremiah 7:22 reads, just read it to say what you want it to say. Use
the same approach to the rest of scripture that you use when you read
Jeremiah 7:22. Problem solved! ;-)



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In article , Bob Felts says...
>
>Matthew Johnson wrote:
>
>> In article , Robert Sutherland
>> says...
>>
>>>
>> >We can infer that from the self-evident truth "ought implies
>> >can".
>>
>> Well, _some_ of us can infer this. But A rather disturbingly high
>> proportion of regular participants in this NG rejedt the truth you label
>> 'self-evident'.
>
>And why not? Christianity itself is hardly "self-evident". In fact,
>Jesus and Paul are so radical that many Christians have trouble
>understanding them.
>
>>
>> >Job has consistently done that which is right.
>>
>> And what I find even _more_ disturbing is how many participants deny _this_
>> truth.
>
>Why, Job was so righteous that he had to admit that "I despise myself
>and repent in dust and ashes." [J 42:6]

Aha! So you ARE relying on a tendentious translation! No, that is NOT what God
said to Job.

On the contrary: the HEbrew of that passage is maddengly vague. It is quote
plausible to translate it as something quite different. Use google to see.


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Subudcat se sibi ut haereat Deo
quidquid boni habet, tribuat illi a quo factus est.
(St. Augustine, Ser. 96)

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On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 11:39:52 +0000 (UTC), "Sarah Kanary"
wrote:

>"Douglas Cox" wrote in message
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>
>>>So the temple had been rebuilt, but the city wall was still broken down
>>>and
>>>the gate still burned from when the Babylonians captured Jerusalem over
>>>150
>>>years earlier.
>>
>> Even if the work on the city had not progressed, or even if it had not
>> even begun, the fact