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gkmcnees@comcast.net wrote:

>> After all this, you still don't understand enough of your
>> opponents' doctrine to realize that our assertion is
>> that it is as hard for an unregenerate person to believe
>> in God as it is for him to fly to the moon (or to ride
>> his camel through the eye of a needle.)
>
> Ah! The light dawns!
>
> God says it is easy! But you say it is not really very hard,
> but impossible!

Again, you're lying about what God says. God says it's
possible for Him, but impossible for us. Since you consistantly
confuse God with yourself, it's no wonder that you failed
to say "hard for _whom_".


> I say that the unregenerate, the ungodly, the unloving, man can
> respond to God's call, and then God changes him,

I know what you say, and it's blatant salvation by works.
FIRST you have man obeying the 1st Commandment THEN God
changes him. Scripture is clear that this is not possible.

God must first change him, then he can respond.

Bart


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In article <111.23.16.05.624580000@srcbs.org>, lsenders@hotmail.com says...

>Matthew Johnson wrote:

>> >For if you press to hard for your position you end up support the
>> >Roman position.

>> Nonsense. All you 'prove' with this groundless fantasy is that you
>> have never really listened to what I say. Why, you clearly didn't
>> even pay attention as you read Clendenin either. For even
>> Clendenin made clear the difference (why we are not bound to "end
>> up support the Roman position").But why am I not surprised? You
>> have _repeatedly_ shown that you do not even understand the
>> difference between the Orthodox and Roman positions.

>Look, I don't minimalize the differences between the two.

Yes, you do. You do it habitually and stubbornly.

>Yet that said, thrown into a pot and melted down to the basic
>elemental presuppositions, you are both from the same root stock.

So you love to repeat. But it was wrong the first time you said it,
and it is wrong now.

>Here are 5 points made in the Arminian vs Calvin thread.

Already, you have dashed off into irrelevancy. Neither RC nor OC are
'Arminian'. As long as you insist on confusing oranges and apples like
this, expect to be criticized for publishing outrageous nonsense.

>1) Man cannot at once and the same time be both totally and partially
>depraved.

Duh!

>2) Election cannot at once be both unconditional and conditional.

Again, duh! You establish NOTHING by mindlessly repeating these tautologies.