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In article <114.28.21.05.584824000@srcbs.org>, lsenders@hotmail.com says...
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>Bart Goddard wrote:
>> lsenders@hotmail.com wrote:
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>> >>> > And modern Luthernism would make Luther gag.
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>> >> There's no such thing as "modern Lutheranism". There
>> >> are those who adhere to the Confessions and those
>> >> who do not.
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>> > You should read your own theologians. They have hardly rigidly
>> > adhered to Luther's basic apologetical presuppositions. How many
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>> > ardent supporters of his teaching in "Bondage of the Will?"
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>> All of "my" theologians adhere to "Bondage of the Will".
>> If someone doesn't take the Lutheran Confessions as a correct
>> exposition of the truths of Scripture, then they are not
>> Lutheran, by definition. So who knows whom you are reading?
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>There is a Lutheran church right across the street from me.
How typical of you, Loren, to post this long post filled with drivel, without
even _addressing_ the fundamental point Bart raised! You go on and on putting
down that 'Lutheran' church, when you have still not provided a _shred_ of
evidence that they _are_ Lutheran!
This shows that you did not even really listen to Bart's objection. For the
whole point of it was not every church that calls itself 'Lutheran' really IS
Lutheran. And you ignored this point completely.
Do _all_ 'Christians' of your denomination ignore Prv 18:14, or is it just you?
[SNIP]
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Gary McNees
> "Bob Felts"
> news:172.29.21.05.072083000@srcbs.org...
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> > Gary McNees
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> > > "Bart Goddard"
> > > news:153.23.08.05.122259000@srcbs.org...
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> > > > gkmcnees@comcast.net wrote:
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> > > > > Calvinists claim that man is not saved "against his will." But the
> > > > > procedure of God regenerating them without their will is like
> > > > > putting one to sleep,
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> > > > No, it's just the opposite. It's like waking someone up. They have
> > > > expressed no will to either remain asleep nor to wake. They're
> > > > _asleep_; they don't have a will. God wakes them up, just like He
> > > > called Lazarus out of the tomb.
> > >
> > > Nonsense.
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