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Action Toward Independence

Independent living center serving and empowering all people with disabilities in Orange and Sullivan counties. Includes philosophy, services offered and contact information.

Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) in New York

Schedules of weekly meetings around the state.

Continuum Health Partners

Includes Beth Israel Medical Center, St. Luke's-Roosevelt Medical Center, Long Island College Hospital, and New York Eye and Ear Infirmary.

ElderWood

Health care management firm, with eight long-term health care facilities and five assisted living communities located in Western New York, Central New York, and Dover, Delaware.

Family Empowerment Council

A family and consumer oriented non-profit organization that provides case management and other services for people with developmental and other disabilities in Orange and Sullivan Counties.

Friends and Relatives of the Intutionalized Aged

Help for families choosing nursing homes or eldercare placement in New York.

Glenhaven Health Care Center

Short-term sub-acute medical care with private and semiprivate rooms.

Home Therapy Equipment, Inc.

Offers equipment and therapy, all customized to the patient's unique needs. Service is available 24 hours a day. Equipment and services listings included.

Island Group Administration, Inc.

A third party administrator of self-funded medical, dental, optical, and workers compensation programs in the New York metropolitan area.

New York Natural Health Project

NYNHP is a coalition of consumers concerned about access to alternative health care in New York State. Site provides information, actions, proposed laws, links, and newsletter registration related to this concern.



Mathhew wrote:

You insist that we read all the relevant passages w/o literal
contradiction,
this IS one way to do it. So now what we have this one way, you have no
grounds
to say that Christ denied that Enoch ascended to heaven.

I wrote:

Enoch did not ascend to heaven for the way into heaven had not been
opened until the forerunner Jesus Christ opened the way. (Col. 1:18;
Heb. 9:8). Before you attempt (and fail) to say the "holy place did not
mean heaven" you should read all of Hebrews 9 and see that Paul is
making parallels between the old tent and the new tent. And while
anabaino normally is used as "going up on your own volition and power"
it is not exclusive and unambiguous. Had there been a clear
unimpeachable pattern of it's usage it would be a very strong point.
Additonally nothing in the surrounding verses of John 3:13 supports
your view. Jesus was talking to Nicodemus about being "born again". You
cannot enter heaven unless you were born again- nobody was "born again"
prior to jesus- including Enoch. BESIDES ENOCH WOULD HAVE TO DIE TO GO
TO HEAVEN ACCORDING TO 1 Cor. 15:36-44 and verse 50 clearly says "flesh
and blood cannot enter heaven" . So how could Enoch get to heaven if he
did not die? The "last trumpet" had not blown in his time so he was not
"changed". Enoch died and did not go to heaven. You are simply wrong
Matthew and too stubborn to admit it.

Most importantly is that Christ was the "firstborn from the dead" to be
taken to heaven and achieve immortality (Col. 1:18). Enoch did not go
to heaven.

Matthew wrote:

So now what we have this one way, you have no grounds
to say that Christ denied that Enoch ascended to heaven.

I wrote:

Christ knew Enoch did not go to heaven so he did need to deny something
that didn't exist in his mind.

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When God creates something, he simply has to utter the words and it comes to
pass, such as, "Let there be light."

We learn from other scriptures that while God was the master planner, it was
actually Christ who was used to create all other things. Everything is "by
him, through him and for him." Think of it as an architect and a builder.
The architect makes the plans but the builders do the actual building. In
the end both can say, "I built that building." Or, as a boss and a
secretary. The boss dictates a letter but the secretary actually types it
and sends it out. God is the author of things created, Christ is the
"master worker."

But because the nature of crea