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In article <122.05.17.05.057948000@srcbs.org>, Bart Goddard says...
[snip]
>What's the difference between "influencing for our good"
>and "coercion for our good"?
If you don't know the answer to this, Bart, then you were in no position to make
the many, MANY assertions concerning grace & free will which you have been
making ever since you joined the fray in this thread.
But then why am I not surprised? Oh, I remember now, because you were the one
who made the incredibly rash assertion that God sought out Adam in Paradise
after his sin in order to kill him!
Anyone that badly confused about the action of God can contribute only confusion
in a thread on the topic of free will.
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Subudcat se sibi ut haereat Deo
quidquid boni habet, tribuat illi a quo factus est.
(St. Augustine, Ser. 96)
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wilsonl035@hawaii.rr.com wrote:
> I then ask who came first and who came second?
>
> Easy.
>
> I then ask is this designation one of total equality?
>
> No.
>
> I ask if they are two persons?
>
> No.
>
> That's it. Scriptures suggesting otherwise out of context are placed
> in the above context.
Yep, that's the way heresy works. One invents a context and forces
Scripture to fit it.
Bart
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Matthew Johnson
> In article <4E414846-F5E4-4197-A469-694529068E1A@srcbs.org>, Bob Felts says...
>
[...]
>
> >Of course I can't show that. The only people who _are_ saved are those
> >who were saved against their will.
>
> Wrong again. You make a total mockery of Psalm 1 by saying this.
>
> Why, the reality is the very opposite of what you say. If it is against
> your will, then you have NOT been saved, and you are NOT being saved.
Is that because you don't think that God changes the will of those who
are unwilling?
> You are still outside.
Speak for yourself.
[...]
> >> > Is belief the result of what man does, or what God does in man?
> >> >You always _assume_ the former; Scripture always affirms the latter.
> >>
> >> No, it does not. See Eze 18:23-32.
>
> >It doesn't say what you want it to say, namely, that the source of the
> >turning