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gkmcnees@comcast.net wrote:

> Well, Bart, we are on completely different "levels" then.
>
> IF saving faith is the same as obeying the 1st commandment then I
> don't have saving faith. But then again, in my estimation, I have
> never met a single person who has kept the 1st commandment. I know
> that Jesus kept it but I know I don't.

I don't know anyone who has perfect faith either. That doesn't
mean that the Spirit won't perfect it. I refrain, occasionally,
from stealing, so, occasionally, I obey that commandment.



> Further the 1st commandment has no promise in it. Further again, all
> "faith" is not the same. There is saving faith, and other kinds of
> faith.

I'm speaking here only of saving faith.

> I see faith not as doing something like keeping the 1st or any other
> commandment, but rather, as receiving what God offers freely in the
> gospel, by taking Him at His word, i.e., believing what He has said.

So? The issue is whether one gets that faith by an act of
his own will or an act of God's will.

Bart

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bimms@juno.com wrote:
> "...we do not say that
> the materials built the house together with the craftsman. We say the
> craftsman
> built the house..."
>
> Matthew, you are in error here. For Theophylact:
> 1. "God" is the craftsman
> 2. "Human free will" are the materials
> 3. So the best way to interpret what Theophylact is saying is this:
> "we do not say that (human free will) built the house together
> with (God). We say (God) built the house.(apart from human free will)"
> 4. your interpretation of Theophylact is off, my friend. In fact, your
> interpretation
> says precisely the opposite of what Theophylact is trying to say.
> Here is your interpretation:
>
> "...Similarly here: although God accepts the free will of the saved
> and uses it in building their salvation, we say that it is He who built
> it..."
>
> Nowhere does Theophylact say that God "accepts the free will of the
> saved." Instead,
> Theophylact is saying that God DOES NOT accept asssitance of human free
> will... much the
> same as the craftsman does not accept the free will assistance of the
> house materials to build the
> house.
>
> A craftsman does not need the free will assistance of the housing
> materials to build a house. Housing
> materials do not have a motivational-force "free will" that would
> enable them to assist a craftsman to construct<