Food Bank of Northern Nevada

Provides food to organizations feeding the poor and hungry in the Northern Nevada and California Sierra area. Includes news and events, opportunities to help, newsletters, programs and agencies, and annual report.

Food Bank of Northern Nevada

Feeding the hungry is our first concern; eliminating hunger our ultimate goal.

Food Bank of Northern Nevada

Provides food to organizations feeding the poor and hungry in the Northern Nevada and California Sierra area. Includes news and events, opportunities to help, newsletters, programs and agencies, and annual report.

Food Bank of Northern Nevada

Feeding the hungry is our first concern; eliminating hunger our ultimate goal.

Nevada Womens Fund

Works for women and children in northern Nevada. Raises funds to support educational grants and scholarships for dozens of women.

Nevada Womens Fund

Works for women and children in northern Nevada. Raises funds to support educational grants and scholarships for dozens of women.

Newcomers Club Directory for Nevada

Help and advice to integrate new residents into the local community through social events, interest groups and children's activities.

Newcomers Club Directory for Nevada

Help and advice to integrate new residents into the local community through social events, interest groups and children's activities.

Secret Witness

Helps solve crimes in Northern Nevada Communities while making the community a better place to live in.

Secret Witness

Helps solve crimes in Northern Nevada Communities while making the community a better place to live in.

In article <97AA8AB5-C4A5-57E6-5FE9-1D3CF740AA6E@srcbs.org>, ruth says...


>Matthew Johnson wrote:
>> In article <7C26D8BD-98B5-9861-772F-8E035E68B3CB@srcbs.org>, Gary says...


>> >"Matthew Johnson" wrote in

>> [snip]

>> >Matthew, I was giving a strict definition. That is, the
>> >CHOICES are DETERMINED by the SE:LF.

>> I knew that...

>> >How the "self" determines these choices is very complicated.

>> True. It is good to see we agree on that at least.

>> >But I agree that all of us are "influenced" by external
>> >means. It is just that what I am saying is that these
>> >external things do NOT DETERMINE the choice. IF they do
>> >DETERMINE the choice, then the self has not determined
>> >it, and hence is relieved of responsibility.

>> But this is where you go astray: why, oh why, are you so
>> certain that there are only two possibilities here?
>> Doesn't that ring of 'false dichotomy' to you? It does to
>> me.

>> How can you a priori rule out the possibility that
>> 'determination of choice' is not a JOINT action resulting
>> from BOTH external influence and internal
>> inclination/decision making/etc?

>> [snip]

>If accepting Yeshua (Salvation) is a necessary choice all must make
>(John 3:16-18),

Please pay close attention to the wording of the verses you
cite: the phrase "accepting Yeshua" does NOT occur in Jn
3:16-18. It is _contentious_ what He really means here.

You are _also_ glossing over another fundamental difference:
there are at least three, different but related senses to
the word 'believe' in the New Testament. Which one does He
mean in Jn 3:16-18?

> and we all have different external, environmental, nurture
>and internal differences, biological and aptitude, which
>infuence our decision to accept or refuse, then to be a
>just God who requires all to accept in order to receive
>salvation, the external and internal influences must be
>able to be put outside the equation for God to maintain His
>justice.

No, that does not follow.

>Those who go with the predestination theory,

Such as St. Paul himself?

> say that no one deserves the grace of God, so if you are
>pushed more or less by God to make your choice, He still
>remains just.

>The other camp says, that is not true justice. They would say that the
>influence factors are taken into account so that all have the same
>amount of +&- factors that go into the equation.

And why are you so sure that there are only two camps?

>I think both camps agree that a retarded person who cannot mentally
>make a decision for Yeshua, still can be saved.

But p