Gary McNees wrote:
> Two Calvinists, Bob and Loren, and one Lutheran, Bart, on this list
> have asserted that I do not understand Calvinism. They further assert that I
> misrepresent Calvinism, and malign Calvinism unjustly.
>
Whaaaaa! Whaaaa! Whaaaaaa!
>
> Norman Geisler entitled "Chosen But Free."
>
By his own admission he clearly stands on the side of moderate
Calvinism. Some of the subjects he discusses in the appendixes are
these: Was Calvin a Calvinist? The Origins of Extreme Calvinism; Is
Faith a Gift Only to the Elect? Double Predestination; Is Regeneration
Prior to Faith. I do not deny the fact that Chosen but Free is by far
the best presentation of the moderate Calvinist viewpoint in print.
Nor would I seek to pursuade any one away from reading it. Quite the
opposite.

Simply put, Geisler proposes that man is free but that God is
sovereign. Geisler down-plays many of the tenets of the Calvinist view.
While holding to eternal security, he argues that many other doctrines
of the system are not biblical. Though admittedly many Calvinistic
biblicists would not agree with all he writes, the book does makes for
a good reference work with its many quotes from other theologians and
the church fathers. Obviously Calvinists are mixed on the issue of free
will. Some say (rightly) the Bible never says man is free. Others argue
that man is free but God controls the events surrounding him, so that
in essence, he is not free.

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Loren, I agree with every word you have written. Please see
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> Sarah Kanary wrote:
> > wrote in message
>
> > Speaking of "strict understanding of word
definition"...there are NO entries
> > for "JfW". So it is a term that doesn't even exist.
> >
>
> Of course you know this already, but the "f" is for false.
You are a
> false witness of YHVH for you deny the Deity of Christ.
Ample evidence
> has been provided to you over the years but you willfully
refuse to
> "repent." You "witness" of "a god" that you have no
personal
> relationship with because your god does not even exist.
"You shall
> have no other gods before Me," is a clarion call that
either you must
> accept Him as He reveals Himself or you stand outside the
camp. You
> and all your JfW's stand outside the camp.
>
> There will be bleeding hearts here who will cringe because
I am not
> playing patty-cake, patty cake, bakers man with you. But
there is only
> one God. I have repeatedly provided