"Bart Goddard" wrote in message
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> gkmcnees@comcast.net wrote:
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> >> bible@alwaysreadit.com wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Question:
> >> > Did you accept Jesus?
> >>
> >> That's a works-righteousness question.
> >
> > It is NOT at all. We've all had enough of this
> > junk, Bart. PROVE it or shut up.
> >
> > You are not in touch with reality.
> > Accepting a free gift is NOT WORKS RIGHTEOUSNESS!
> > PERIOD!
> >
> > Get over Luther or whatever you have.
>
> There's that crushing logic again. The bottom line is
> that you insist a man save himself. Before he's reborn
> you require that he believe.

I don't, but God does!

I can give you many scriptrues which state that
life (regeneration) follows logically faith.

There are NONE that give your order.

John 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the
Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his
name.

> This act of believing so
> impresses God that God grants him "regeneration".

Nonsense.

> That's works righteousness no matter how you slice it.

Only in your imagination. No, receiving a free gift
is not works. God contrasts salvation by works and
salvation through faith.

> > The above is the Gospel according to Paul. Not at all like the
> > non-gospel of Bart.
>
> Paul and I agree that salvation is not of works. You preach
> the exact opposite.

Bart, I really don't think anyone except yourself believes this.
I quote Scripture which directly contradicts your position.
There are hundreds of them.

> You accuse me of not understanding plain
> language, but this is simple: Look at the subject of the
> sentence. _Man_ believes. Who is acting? Man. So who is
> saving? Man.

God says that salvation is though faith, and not of works.
Man first believes and then God gives life.
If you are correct, cite a Scripture which gives
your order of faith through life.

That God gives life, resulting in faith.

There are many which state the very opposite.

In fact the Apostle Paul gives an extended
exposition of why your position is false.


5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man
which doeth those things shall live by them. 6 But the righteousness which
is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend
into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:) 7 Or, Who shall
descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) 8
But w