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You did not get _that_ from the Catechism of the RCC! How do I know?
Because St.
Maximus the Confessor is considered a saint in your church too, his
teaching is
still highly respected even in Rome, and he very definitely contradicts you.
>>
My Church believes that "qui bene distinguit bene et docet" and also
that the statements related to the theology belong to at least three
categories:
1./ Those which are part of the revelation either as directly stated
by the Holy Scriptures (e.g. Jesus Christ is the Messiah and he died and
resurrected) or defined by the historical Church as infallible statement
based on the Holy Scriptures bu result of later theological development
(e.g. Jesus Christ is one person with distinct divine and human natures)
2./ Those which are not part of the revelation but the Church
authority requires the acceptance of it (e.g. the celibacy of the
catholic priests)
3./ Those which are free for theological speculation (e.g. the
priority of the Incarnation or the Passion) and in this case not the
authority but the rational arguments are the decisive factor
My argument is that I consider the Old testament as a whole, as the
History of the Salvation, and I assert that we should try to understand
this process. If one believes that God would primarily want the shameful
death of His Son, then one shall explain why God exterminated the
humanity in the time of the Flood, why God exterminated the Israelites
(the Northern state in the 8th Century BC), had to explain the Captivity
etc.
My explanation is that He is not sadist, He wanted His Son's life and
death as comfortable as possible and conceded only allowing the free
choices of the human beings which naturally was given by Him, so
basically following the consequences His previous decision.
laszlo
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Bob Felts wrote:
> Gary McNees
>
>
>>>>>>>[wrf3]
>>>>>>>If election is not based on human will or effort, then how can man be
>>>>>>>said to be free in this respect?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>[gary]
>>>>>>It is not BASED upon human will or effort.
>>>>>>It is in ACCORD with God's foreknowledge.
>>>>>
>>>>>[wrf3]
>>>>>So what did God forsee that determines who is and who isn't elect?
>>>>
>>>>[gary]
>>>>God doesn't "foresee."
>>>
>>>[wrf3]
>>>What knowledge did God use upon which to base His choices in election?
>>
>>God is independent, hence His kn