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Bart Goddard wrote:
> gkmcnees@comcast.net wrote:
>
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>>>>IF saving faith is the same as obeying the 1st commandment then I
>>>>don't have saving faith. But then again, in my estimation, I have
>>>>never met a single person who has kept the 1st commandment. I know
>>>>that Jesus kept it but I know I don't.
>>>
>>>
>>>I don't know anyone who has perfect faith either. That doesn't
>>>mean that the Spirit won't perfect it. I refrain, occasionally,
>>>from stealing, so, occasionally, I obey that commandment.
>>
>>Good for you! Trouble is, God requires perfect obedience, doesn't He?
>
>
> The trouble is, you keep missing points. Why would you
> think that someone's faith has to be "perfect" before they
> are saved? (Answer: Because you think a quality of man is
> a requirement for salvation, quite contrary to the doctrine
> of grace alone.)

Where in the 1st commandment is any promise of salvation?
Or more easily, where is there any promise of salvation in
any of the 10 commandments or the summation of all commandments
Christ gave?

There is none there anywhere.

And the "quality" in man is one of recognition of no quality in oneself.

Just the opposite of what you think.

And just who is missing points, or rather making up what the other
says.

Where do I say that one's FAITH must be perfect?

You raise the question of OBEDIENCE to a command, the 1st commandment.
To be saved! yet!

I am just a little amazed at this.

I see saving faith as no good quality in man, but saving faith
is believing what God promises. And even this is not just any promise,
such as what is promised in Exodus 20:12 Honour thy father and thy
mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God
giveth thee.

The promise which needs to be believed is that by simply believing
Christ when He says, John 4:10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If
thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me
to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee
living water. One has received everlasting life. There are many
phrasings of the promise of the Gospel.

>>To me God defines saving faith. God gives a promise of everlasting
>>life, not for keeping the 1st commandment, or any commandment, but by
>>receiving Christ by faith is what HE has done. By believing the
>>Gospel.
>
>
> You're saying, and you keep saying, that man is saved "by
> believing the Gospel." "Believing the Gospel" is not Christ's
> action, but man's action. It's very easy to spot works
> righteousness. All one has to do is look at the subjects
> of the active ve