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wrf3@stablecross.com wrote:

>> Neither did I. I'm saying that it's not "believing saves"
>> but "being saved, one believes."
>
> We agree, Bart. Believes _what_, which how much variation allowed?
> Make a Biblical case for the amount of variation allowed.

"Allowed" in what sense? As soon as you say "allowed", then
you're back into legalism again. If you say "allowed before
they're damned", then you have believing a prerequisite for
salvation.


>> Apostles wrote Scripture. If John records this or Peter
>> records that, then we all (JW, RC, Protestants,....) take
>> this as Gospel, so to speak.
>
> And yet, in the case of Peter, the RC's, EO, and Protestants all
> disagree.

We agree 1. That "this is Gospel" and 2. that here is
the foundation of the Church. Item 1. is the point here,
not item 2.


> They are reading English usage into the Greek, but
> if the Catholics (or the EO, or the Protestants) can mis-read the
> meaning behing Jesus' statement about Peter's confession, why can't
> they be wrong on the reading on Thomas' statement?

I keep saying the same thing over and over, and you keep asking
the same question. This is a difference of type, not degree.


>> The Protestant vs. RC debate is about popery, not the
>> deity of Christ.
>
> Errors are errors, Bart. Why is the one error less bad than the
> other?

"Less bad"? I've said several times that this is not an issue
of degree. You're asking the same question again. The JW
"error" isn't an error, as if they misunderstood God. Rather,
it is a meta-error in which they are listening to the wrong God.


>> All Christians confess Peter's confession.
>>
>
> "You are the Messiah" isn't the same as "You are God".


"....the Son of the Living God." Yes, it's the same.

Bart

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Bart Goddard wrote:
> gkmcnees@comcast.net wrote:
>
>
>
>>Some of us believe that teaching that God loves (savingly)
>>only the "few" while he hates the "many," e.g., Jacob and
>>Esau, representing the elect and the non-elect, respectively,
>>is a very severe misrepresentation of the true God.
>
>
> We only know God by what He reveals to us about Himself,
> and Jesus is the epitome of this revelation.
>
> If someone tries to look at or get to God outside of
> Jesus, then he is going after a non-revelation. Here,
> I'm not speaking Moslems and Buddhists, so much as
> Christians who try to construct their theology beginning
> with the