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> Gary wrote:
> > wrote in message
>
> > > >
> > > What, that regeneration occurs prior to faith? I doubt they accept
the
> > > last 3, but will let them speak for themselves.
> >
> > I'm sorry, Loren, but either you have not read Geisler's book,
> > or misunderstand it. Geisler devotes an entire chapter proving
> > from Scripture that regeneration FOLLOWS faith!
> >
> I never wrote that Geisler agreed with me or me with him.

OK.

> I simply
> don't find his argument compelling.

I do. While others have elaborated upon his arguments against
Calvinism, and given them even further strength, I found this
book of his to be the book that, while it did not convince me
the first time I read it, (in fact I then got Whites rebuttal book,
and as a Calvinist bought into it again hook, line and sinker.)

BUT, a friend of mine, who is a good friend of Geisler's, who
I had been conversing with for a number of years about Calvinism,
trying to convince him of its truth, kept asking me penetrating
questions. Finally I saw the truth. He remarked that White's
book is so filled with logical errors he lost count after the first
few pages.

This is really the heart of the problem with Calvinism. While
thinking it is logical, it is really not at all. It really ASSUMES
all of its points. There are not there in Scripture at all.

But unless you are open to the idea that Reformed theology,
and Calvinism COULD be entirely wrong, you will never
get out of the trap.

I would ask of you, what I ask of many, when you first believed,
did you believe about the Gospel and salvation as you do now?

Spurgeon, addmitted along with Sproul, and many other famous
Calvinist theologians that when they first believed they would have
reputiated Calvinism thoroughly.

I believe that many Calvinists are truly saved, but that they have
fallen into the Galatian heresy. They have been duped, and are
now teaching a false gospel, which is no gospel at all.

> Again, I would point you some of
> the more recent rebuttals in TJ's. I haven't purchased the TJ library
> on CD for many, many years. But I would venture that version 6.0 would
> provide you with a wealth of reading. That is a PC version. I don't
> do Windoze.

I have it. Further, PC is Windows. There are two basic options.
the MAC and the PC. The PC (Personal Computer) can run other
operating systems than Windows, but most software won't run on it.
The second most common being a version of "Linux" but my experience