Democracy for Michigan

An independently operated site inspired by Howard Dean's 2004 Presidential campaign with calendar and resources.

Detroit Free Press - Politics

Political news from a Detroit daily newspaper

Good Schools Home Page

Frank presentation of issues facing parents, taxpayers and schools in reforming schools into the twenty-first century.

Michigan Votes

Searchable database of Michigan bills and votes

MichiganDepartment of State

State agency responsible for overseeing campaigns and voting and for conducting elections

P.M Tarr and Associates - Capitol Action Consultants

Legislative liaison for Michigan government.

Politics1: Michigan State and Congressional Candidates

A directory of Michigan candidates, elections, political parties, and daily state news sources.

Publius Online Election Information System

Central resource for information on Michigan politics. Sponsored by the Publius Institute, which researches and address the impact of advances in information technology on government systems

Southeast Michigan Council of Governments (SEMCOG)

A regional planning partnership.

Southeast Michigan Council of Governments (SEMCOG)

A regional planning partnership for Livingston, Macomb, Monroe, Oakland, St. Clair, Washtenaw and Wayne Counties. Information on region-wide planning and programs in transportation and related areas. Also maintains regional databases.

I see that those that demand adherance to scripture also never speak of
what the spirit has given them. I intend through the spirit that this
veil be lifted at this time so that the spirit can be made manifest and
those merely hiding behind religion or some other ideology, they did
not get from spirit, will therefore have nowhere left to hide.Amen

((( s.r.c.b-s is a moderated group. All posts are approved by a moderator. )))
((( Read http://srcbs.org for details about this group BEFORE you post. )))

"Matthew Johnson" wrote in message
news:56FBB0F3-6AF9-E8B8-8CE3-77289A22CE66@srcbs.org...
> In article , Sarah Kanary
> says...
>>
>>"Stephen M. Adams" wrote in message
>>news:2D166EA9-F715-A234-7739-B4F47B1462D8@srcbs.org...
>>
>>>>Well, of course the OT was written and collected long before there
>>>>was any hint of the Orthodox Church.
>>>
>>> You are mistaken. The One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, which
>>> is the Orthodox Church existed BEFORE the collection of the Scriptures
>>> by ANY reckoning.
>>
>>Please explain. The last book of what is commonly called the "Old
>>Testament" was written over 400 years before any church existed.
>
> The Church IS the New Israel. So your objection is irrelevant and without
> merit.
>
>>>>We disagree upon which precedes which. I believe that God gave
>>>>the Scripture to the Church, not that the Church gave the Scripture
>>>>to us.
>>>
>>> The Church wrote, collected, compiled and transmitted the body of the
>>> canon.
>>
>>The individual books of the "NT" were written by individual Jewish
>>Christians, most of whom were apostles of Christ. The canon closed with
>>the
>>death of the apostle John.
>
> No, the Canon did NOT close with the death of John. On the contrary: the
> NT
> Canon was quite different in different parts of the Christian world until
> CENTURIES after the death of John.

The fact that different non-canonical books existed and were circulated
after the death of the apostles does not prove that the 27 book collection
that we have today was not closed. It merely shows that there existed other
books of dubious origin that some groups accepted to some degree as
important to them for whatever reason they had for so doing, and nothing
more.

No one in post apostolic times ever came close to having the authority to
canonize scripture as did the apostles. And not just any apostles, but in
the final analysis specifically Peter and John.

Of course, if you are of the modern opinion that a number of books in the NT
were not even written by the apostles, but long afterward, then you will
find yourself on the other side of the argument