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Matthew Johnson wrote:
> In article <082.36.22.05.804060000@srcbs.org>, basicallyblues says...
> >
> >
> >
> >>. Gen
> >>5:24; Hebrews 11:5. Elijah went up to heaven, but was taken also,
by
> >>firey chariot. 2 Kings 2:11. Neither "ascended" which implies
> >something
> >>they did themselves. Thus, scripture remains intact and true.
> >
> >Nice try but you are wrong. Enoch "died" as Hebrews said.
>
> No, it is you who are wrong. Hebrews does NOT say that Enoch died. On
the
> contrary: Hebrews even says that Enoch "did not taste death" (Heb
11:5). Recall
> the verse:
>
> By faith Enoch was taken up SO THAT HE SHOULD NOT SEE DEATH; and
> he was not found, because God had taken him.
> Now before he was taken he was attested as having
> pleased God. (Heb 11:5 RSVA)
>
> So no, Enoch never died.
>


In light of your discussion, what do any of you make of
Jesus' story of poor Lazarus and the rich man (Lk 16)?

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Matthew Johnson wrote:
> In article <116.51.13.05.763733000@srcbs.org>, Gary McNees says...
>
>>
>>
>>Matthew Johnson wrote:
>>
>>>In article <115.51.06.05.622976000@srcbs.org>, Bob Felts says...
>>>
>>>[snip]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Since you have not free will, I think that this is the
>>>>>consequence.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Romans 7 explains this nicely.
>>>
>>>
>>>It does? Then why does the _interpretation_ of Rom 7 differ so sharply between
>>>you, myself, and Gary?
>>
>>Matthew, I think we are much closer together theologically than I am
>>with any Calvinist.
>
>
> True. You and I are close than either of us to the Calvinists. I was not trying
> to deny this. I was trying to point out that the interpretation of Romans 7 is
> NOT so straightforward.
>
>
>>To my mind, the denial that God is love, is a far
>>greater heresy than any I can think of that I would attribute to you.
>
>
> Well, I am glad you won't attribute _that_ heresty to me;) Now if only you would
> see that I avoid all heresy like the plague!

Matthew, don't we all claim this? Does ANYONE think that they believe
heresy? I think not. I hope you are not claiming that there are no
errors in any of your beliefs. Since even the Apostle Paul said, we see
in a mirror darkly. And James said that we ALL err in what we say, I
certainly agree with Paul is saying that I have "not arrived." I believe
that I could