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Gary McNees wrote:
> Ethan Metsger wrote:

>>Have you read, "The plowing of the wicked is sin?" or "The sacrifice of the
>>wicked is an abomination?" Both of these are, in principle, good works; the
>>former feeds the family (fathers give their children bread) and the latter
>>constitutes worship. But both are decried as _evil_.

> Argue with Christ, not me. He said it, not me.

No, he didn't. He said that the _gift_ was good, not the _giving of the
gift_. Scripture maintains a difference between the two.

The plowing of the wicked is sin. Plowing is not a sin, in and of itself;
in fact, we may argue very well that it's good, as the gift here is good.
Certainly we may argue that offering sacrifices according to the law
was good, but God tells us that the sacrifice of the wicked is an
abomination.

One's wickedness does not corrupt the goodness of the law, simply the
practicing of it.

[...]

>>This is why our righteousness
>>is as filthy rags.

> I agree, and this seems to contradict what you just said above,
> e.g., good deeds aren't good unless the person who does them is regenerate.

This is somewhat tangential to the point I really wanted to make, but I
guess I should clarify.

What is done that is good is done by the spirit, not the flesh. All the
flesh can do is to sin.

>>To avoid this, you must demonstrate from Scripture that every man has been
>>"fixed" in this regard, so that his flesh no longer poses the barrier that it
>>apparently did when such proverbs were written--and suddenly you are left
>>looking at works-based righteousness, _whether you count faith as a work or not_.

> Don't agree. There was a momentous change effected by Christ on the

I think maybe you're missing the point I was trying to make. It's not
that faith suddenly becomes a work--that's not even an issue here (yet).
As soon as the plowing of the wicked is NOT sin, then the wicked has some
means of earning merit with God; this is when we introduce the ledger sheet.

The intrinsic goodness of the gift given remains; but the _giving_ of the
gift is perverted by the flesh.


Ethan

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On Sat, 14 May 2005 15:21:27 +0000 (UTC), lsenders@hotmail.com wrote:

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>Douglas Cox wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 May 2005 20:45:47 +0000 (UTC), lsenders@hotmail.com wrote:
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>> If the 70 weeks of Daniel represent time, they cannot contain gaps.
>> Dispensational theory, which you seem to be following h