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Michiana Street Racing Association

Information concerning Southern Michigan and Northern Indiana street racing.

Michigan International Speedway

Tickets, events calendar, maps, and Brooklyn area attraction information. Hosts NASCAR Winston Cup, Busch, Craftsman Truck, ARCA, IRL and Infiniti Pro series races.

Michigan International Speedway

Tickets, events calendar, maps, and area information. Two Nascar races yearly.

Michigan International Speedway

Tickets, events calendar, maps, and area information. Two Nascar races yearly.

Michigan Kart Club

Club information includes rules, club points standings, and membership information.

Michigan Kart Club

Club information includes rules, club points standings, and membership information.

Mid-Michigan Mini Tractor Pulling Association

Provides pulling contests for Garden Tractors, All Terrain Vehicles and Ultra-Light modified tractors.

Mid-Michigan Mini Tractor Pulling Association

Provides pulling contests for Garden Tractors, All Terrain Vehicles and Ultra-Light modified tractors.

RJ Racing

Limited-late model oval track race team and machine shop.



Gary McNees wrote:
> lsenders@hotmail.com wrote:
> > Man who is born dead, having a sin nature, cannot freely choose to
do
> > good. He must first be "born again" before he can choose the
"good."
>
> God enables the unregenerate man to believe. We are saved when
> when we believe, "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting
life:"
SNIP
> And since God draws all men to Christ, all men are enabled to repent
> and believe.
>
> > Faith, indeed is not a work, per say, but to place faith before
God's
> > actualization, ignition and fueling (regeneration) necessarily
brings
> > in a contingency which is nothing short of what is commonly
referred to
> > as "works," in that it requires an autonomous action of man.
>
> I didn't place it there. God did.
>
I have slowly come to the conclusion that you have not really thought
your position through. I give you credit. You have made some
interesting statements, you have a zeal for the things of God. But I
would suggest that you take some time off and actually look at what you
believe and if you dare, look at it from your opponents perspective.

I have recently purchased a very well written book titled, "The Five
Points of Calvinism," by 2 primary authors and in this latest edition,
a 3rd. You can find it listed at http://www.ligonier.org/ . From
what I have read, the forwards to each edition and most of the
appendices which include discussions on the meaning of "foreknowledge",
practical applications in everyday life, historical overview of both
Calvinism and Arminianism, and several others. I found that this has
been a standard for the last 80 yrs or so. It is a good read. It
presents the 5 points, defines them in modern terms of understanding,
defends and documents the points.

I feel you have not actually studied what "Calvinism" teaches and
doesn't teach by your posts. I am not here to convert you. But I
would strongly urge you to become more informed of what you are so
vehemently dismissing. Perhaps you should take a more learned look at
its doctrines and its biblical support.
>
> You keep trying to change its place, but the Scripture testimony is
> to much for your changes to hold. We are saved THROUGH FAITH, we do
> not get faith through salvation.
>
Again, Gary, the word is "dia" which means, "by means of" or as I have
tried to illustrate, a vehicle. I have also pointed out to you the
historical position that faith is the instrumental cause, not the
material cause or the efficient cause or the formal cause or even the
sufficient cause.

In Rom 3:21ff, Paul argues that "faith" is the vehicle through which