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Gary wrote:

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>
> Which is worse, preaching a salvation of grace and works
> (but where even the "works" are of grace as Augustine and
> Matthew proffer), or teaching a god who is infinitely more
> evil than Satan? I'll leave the answer to you and those
> lurking.
>

First, the works you proffer are not of grace -- they are of the human
will which you claim is untimately free from God's control. They are
"of yourselves". Not only this, but your works are flatly contradicted
by Scripture. You claim that for a man to be born again that he must
first make a free will choice. But John says that the new birth is not
the result of the human will.

Second, on what basis do you claim that an absolutely sovereign God is
"infinitely more evil than Satan"?


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Matthew Johnson wrote:

> In article <153.21.08.05.256213000@srcbs.org>, Bob Felts says...
> >
> >
> >
> >Gary McNees wrote:
> >
> >> "Bob Felts" wrote in message
> >> news:151.59.14.05.918582000@srcbs.org...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Gary McNees wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > For the Calvinist god certainly does not only speak lies, but acts
> >> > > unjustly.
> >> >
> >> > Who says?
> >>
> >> God and me.
> >>
> >
> >Where does God say that what you happen to think is unjust is unjust?
>
> What a cheap shot, Bob! Gary never said this. He never said that God said
> what Gary happens to think is unjust really is unjust. He only said that
> Gary and God say the same thing.
>

Well, that's what's being contested -- whether or not Gary and God say
the same thing. Gary says that the Calvinist god acts unjustly. The
primary complaint seems to be that creating vessels of wrath devoted to
destruction is unjust. I'm curious to know where, in Scripture, we find
that this is actually unjust -- and not something that just happens to
offend Gary's sensibilities.

You wrote something in another post on Matthew 5:45-48; I'll take a look
at that in more depth in a little while.

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gkmcnees@comcast.net wrote:


>> You soooooooooooooo don't know what I believe. Neither I
>> nor Luther taught that God loves only the elect.
>
> Call it what you like. Macarthur also claims to believe that
> God
> loves all men. So also do many other Calvi