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In article <4201715C-FC4E-6E32-9D7B-715D5B8150A0@srcbs.org>,
lsenders@hotmail.com says...

>Tracy Hall wrote:

>> Loren, given the context, do you mean to imply that those
>> who believe in free will are as apostate as those who
>> participate in the terrible behaviors listed here by
>> Paul, that those who believe in free will are people who
>> "resist the truth," have "corrupt minds," and are
>> "reprobate concerning the faith?"

[snip]

>As for the theology of "free will," yes, I find the system
>to be anti-Biblical, therefore, as you say, apostate.

And that is where you are not only in serious error, but
sinfully so, since you persist in even slandering those who
hold the right faith.

> But just because an individual believes in what he
>defines "free will," does not necessitate apostacy.

At last, a very overdue admission!

> My argument is against theological systems which try to
>maintain that man is free after the fall.

And this is where your 'argument' breaks down.

> Not only is the doctrine counter logical to its own
>claims when examined,

Not true. Augustine, yes, the very same Augustine you
deceptively quote out of context to support your error,
proves how wrong you are in De Gratia & Libero Arbitrio.

> it places man right back into that very same mentality
>which the Jewish leaders of Jesus' day had.

No, it does no such thing. You understand neither that mentality nor
the doctrine.

> NO ONE kept the Law. NO ONE ever has or ever will,
>except Jesus who was born without a fallen sin nature.

See, Loren, how _quickly_ you run to un-biblical language to
support your unbiblical teaching! Scripture NEVER says He
was "born without a fallen sin nature".

> The Law reveals sin. It provides no escape from it.
>Only the grace of God, through the regenerative act of the
>Spirit in life the individual provides a new orientation, a
>new capacity to love God apart from self.

And where is YOUR evidence of this "new orientation", Loren?

> Apart from regeneration, all men are self oriented,
>therefore they are neither "free" nor capable of good
>works.

And where is YOUR evidence of this 'regeneration', Loren? In
its place, you have offered only abundant evidence of your
_own_ self orientation.

[snip]

>> Paul was warning Timothy of the apostasy that was already sweeping over
>> the church.
>> "This thou knowest, that all they which are in Asia be turned away from
>> me; of whom are Phygellus and Hermogenes."
>> http://scriptures.lds.org/2_tim/1/15
>>
>> This apostasy would become com