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matthew_member@newsguy.com wrote:


>>I neither spout nor believe the above,
>
> This is patently false. Of course you do. It is the
> inescapable logical consequence of your denial of free will.

You're so bad at logic, I'm surprised you went out on such a
limb. You can't even do "pre-predicate" stuff correctly, so
how do you find the 'nads to make such sweeping (and unsupported)
statements?


> Because it isn't slander. Your own words convict you. See
> below.
>
> Let's take a look, for example, at msg-id
> <6A3A7BB6-5E2A-C031-805B-0A6EB9D3BC8D@srcbs.org>, where you
> say:
>
> Begin quote-------
> And therefore, the men who refrain from resisting have some
> quality which those who resist do not have. Where did this
> quality come from? If God gave it to them, then He created
> some to be saved (by giving them the non-resistance gene)
> and others to be damned (by giving them the resistance
> gene.) If God didn't give it to them, then some choose
> rightly and some choose wrongly of their own free will. And
> that choice is meritorious unto salvation.
> End quote---------
>
> This is logically equivalent to Predestinarianism, no
> matter how loudly you try to deny it. For if the first of
> your speculative possibilities is true, that God gave them
> the quality (leading to their wrong choice and damnation),
> then God is the sole cause of their damnation,

So you're claiming, that the converse of a statement is
logically equivalent to the statement? Very astute.
Very logical. Further, the entire paragraph is a statement
within Gary's hypothetical universe. It's