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"Bart Goddard" wrote in message
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>
> gkmcnees@comcast.net wrote:
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> This is funny. You demand that I support "regeneration =
> granting faith", and then turn around and claim that
> "becoming children of light = regeneration" without proof.

The proof is in the sentence itself. Regeneration is birth which
is being begotten by God which is becoming His child. It is
obvious.

> But for the record, you are saying that _a man must believe
> before he is regenerated_.
>
> John 3:36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life,...

No, I am saying the God regenerates those who believe,
immediately. Logically we are saved through faith.
Faith does not come through salvation, as you like to
claim. EVERY time we read of life it comes through
faith. The logic is inescapable and simple. The word
THROUGH means the logical order of things.

> So in your system, a guy who believes but is not regenerated
> has eternal life.

This is impossible. When one believes God regenertes him.
In time they are simultaneous. But logically salvation comes
through faith. Faith does NOT come through salvation.

> (Even though in the same chapter Jesus tells
> Nicodemus that only the regenerated can enter heaven.)

So?

> You're still insisting that eternal life is our reward for
> believing, which you think we can do without God's help.
> You're teaching salvation by works.

No. God says that faith is not works.

Eternal life is a gift which must be RECEIVED by faith.

Gary



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"Bart Goddard" wrote in message
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> gkmcnees@comcast.net wrote:
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> >> The two sentences:
> >>
> >> God wills all men be saved.
> >>
> >> God wills some men be damned.
> >>
> >
> > I find the first in Scripture.
> > I find the negative of the first in Scripture:
>
> Duh. The second _is_ the logical negation of the
> first. The first point here is that if one defines
> "will" differently in each sentence, then they might
> not be negations of each other. You miss this entirely
> and go off on another rant based _entirely_ upon the
> premise that "will" means the same thing in both
> sentences, in spite of my plain caveat to the contrary.
>
> The second point here is that _your doctrine_ leads
> logically to the second statement. You are completely
> unable to give an answer to this, but instead, every<