Gary McNees wrote:

> Bob Felts wrote:
> > Gary McNees wrote:
> >
> > I'll deal with the rest of this as time permits, but this one part is so
> > glaringly wrong and so easy to refute that I'll cherrypick and do it
> > now.
> >
> > [...]
> >
> >
> >>>>>>Jeremiah 31:3 The LORD hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I
> >>>>>>have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with
> >>>>>>lovingkindness have I drawn thee.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>wrf3:
> >>>>>And who is the object of His love in this passage? It is Israel, aka
> >>>>>the elect.
> >>
> >>Or really, all Israel? No?
> >>
> >>True the whole nation of Israel was the elect nation.
> >
> >
> > False. "For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel." Romans
> > 9:6.
>
> Look Bob, before you say something is simple, first learn that the above
> does not prove your point.
>

Of course it does. Ask yourself why Paul wrote Romans 9. After
explaining the glorious Gospel, he anticipates an objection from his
readers, namely, "Paul, if what you say about the Gospel is true, and
the Gospel was given to and trhrough Israel, then why hasn't Israel
believed?" And Paul's answer is because "not all Israel is Israel" --
not all physical descendents of Abraham have been chosen.

> >>But so what? The point is that God DRAWS with "loving kindness." All
> >>Israel (all others as well), were drawn, but only a few submitted to the
> >>drawing.
> >>
> >>
> >>>>Were there not people such as Job who were drawn who were not of Israel?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>No. Job was as much a part of Israel as anyone who believes.
> >>
> >>Job was not a part of the nation of Israel.
> >>
> >
> >
> > You don't understand what Israel is, then. Israel is the nation of
> > _believers_, not people with a certain genetic predisposition. Read
> > Romans 9:6, Romans 2:28-29, and Gal 3:7 & 3:29.
>
> Romans 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes:
> but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
>

And what do you think this means?

> 1 Timothy 5:21 I charge you before God and the Lord Jesus Christ and
> the elect angels that you observe these things without prejudice, doing
> nothing with partiality.
>
> Now these elect angels are part of Israel?
>

Scripture doesn't say. I can make an argument either way. Let's stiick
with humans, about which Scripture is very clear.

> Rom 9:11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good
> or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not
>