In article <152.02.14.05.869343000@srcbs.org>, Bart Goddard says...

>matthew_member@newsguy.com wrote:

>> If you weren't such a shocking ignoramus, Bart, you would know that
>> EACH of the theologians I cited had an excellent training in
>> logic. In their day, no one could reach their positions in society
>> without learning the logic material of Aristotle's Organum
>> thoroughly.

>We're way better at logic today then they were even 300 years
>ago.

No, we are not. You certainly are not. If you were, you would not have accused
Gary of saying P and (not P), when he had done no such thing.

> Logic is a _science_,

True...

> and like all sciences, 99% of it was invented since 1900.

You make it sound like you think that since 99% of all sciences were invented
since 1900, 99% of logic is too. This is very false. You are relying on a very
false measuring stick to claim this. Most of NT textual criticism, for example,
ALSO a science, was invented by Griesbach in the 18th century. All the great
efforts of the 20th century have accomplished very little stabilization or
change in the text compared to Griesbach, or Westcott-Hort, of the 19th century.

So what false measuring stick are YOU relying on? Pages in journals?

>Mastering Aristotle is the
>logical equivalent of a car mechanic "mastering"
>the medieval wheel.

No, that is completely false. A better analogy would be comparing to doing
grade-school arithmetic: it can all be done in Roman Numerals, but that would be
much harder than in Hindu-Arabic numerals. Yet both are doing the same
grade-school arithmetic (not to be confused with Dirichlet's idea of
'arithmetic').

>It was mostly the Poles who developed
>the subject into what it is today, which is the underpinning
>of all computer science.

And what was it that they really did? They developed the symbolic logic and
propositional logic that make it much _easier_ to perform logical reasoning and
prove theorems, but the two-valued logic, as applied in discussions like these,
was still much the same, based on exactly the same axioms; just as grade-school
arithmetic is the same whether you use Hindu-Arabic numerals, Roman numerals, or
an abacus. Truth tables and theorems of propositional logic are merely much more
convenient ways of accomplishing what Aristotle's students accomplished with
syllogisms. They also developed new theorems that have NOTHING to do with the
topic of this thread.

Modern logicians did NOT prove any new results that overturned the logic of the
arguments advanced by Sts. John of Damascus and Maximus the Confessor concerning
the topic(s) of these threads on free will. So this is just another elaborate
distraction of yours. It has